NSKK Brigadeführer Tunic - Possible Identification?

[Jon. H]

Gentlemen,

I have a NSKK Brigadeführer tunic which came untouched out from Austria some years back. I would estimate it to be made around 1937, and it has a blood order ribbon, loops for what appears to be the golden party badge and it has a Alter Kämpfer winkel on the sleeve.

I know it is a long shot, but the NSKK was a rather small org. So i was wondering, do you gentlemen think it could be possible to ID the original owner? Or at least narrow down possible a few possible owners? It has red underlay on the collar tabs and the shoulder board.

[wewelsburg]

yes...photos?

[Jon. H]

Thank you! Here are photos

Turned up some years ago in Austria, with a high ranking m37 SS tunic.



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[Jon. H]

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[hochtief]

Wonderful tunic. Very rare and great condition.

[stonemint]

Nice tunic--thanks for posting--we do not see enough NSKK tunics & Headgear here anymore.

[wilhelm Saris]

as far as I know this type of tunic was worn until about June 1939, as then the NSKK arm-eagle came into being, which should be worn above the chevron.
The chevron is known actually as "Armwinkel für alte Kämpfer".

As there is no letter/number indication included with the Brigadeführer collar-tabs, he would be assigned to the staff of the Korpsführung, I think!

[Rheinmetall]

I take it this style would have had a brassard attached?

[wilhelm Saris]

I take it this style would have had a brassard attached?

yes!

[wewelsburg]

Brassards MOST of the time were only tacked on with a few pieces of thread EVEN on high end tunics.That doesnt mean a thing,all political tunics of the had armbands..just the armband is unattached,not sure why that is even brought up unless your telling owner to add one?Has zero to do with verifying the tunic.

.Also shouldnt be too hard to identify with blood order,he wasnt a WW1 vet as no ribbon bar,a bit odd since hes an old fighter,BUT that doesnt mean he couldnt have joined after ww1,and only 2 awards,probably a Sport badge is one..a high rank in NSKK too.

[Rheinmetall]

Brassards MOST of the time were only tacked on with a few pieces of thread EVEN on high end tunics.That doesnt mean a thing,all political tunics of the had armbands..just the armband is unattached,not sure why that is even brought up unless your telling owner to add one?Has zero to do with verifying the tunic..

Why the hostility toward a simple question? I am generally unfamiliar with the NSKK uniforms so was curious to learn more. Please refrain from unjust accusations or insults, this forum should be for the expansion of knowledge.

[wewelsburg]

Why the hostility toward a simple question? I am generally unfamiliar with the NSKK uniforms so was curious to learn more. Please refrain from unjust accusations or insults, this forum should be for the expansion of knowledge.

EXACTLY MY POINT!!what knowledge comes from Mr.Saris answer?
Even something that is basic TR knowledge is fine to talk about..the issue is how GOOD tunics frequently are attacked here over things that are ridiculous,like a missing armband.Mr.Saris who generally spouts knowledge verbatim from books knows this,and by blatantly agreeing with a YES!! doesnt add anything but confusion,someone who does'nt know like yourself sees that and may come to the conclusion that since its lacking an armband its a bad tunic or wrong..see what I mean?Iwasnt attacking your question as it was sincere,but attacking answers which serve no purpose,hang in teh SS section for a bit youll find this common occurance.

The correct response would have been,yes it would have had an armband during the period,probably lost due to time,someone removing it,stitches tearing and it getting lost,or even then sometimes were just slipped on and may not have been with it upon finding.Just answering YES! can mean a bevy of things like yes it should therefor its bad,or not period or whatever..to the beginner.

Im not attacking Mr.Saris knowledge as he has written several books,BUT his usual replies are direct footnotes from a textbook or paragraphs with all the trappings,so to just answer YES..doesnt help.He likes to be VERY THOROUGH we have had discussions here before,so when a one word answer is replied when much more is needed its just as baffling.

[Rheinmetall]

Now I understand the point you are trying to make but you have read far too much into my initial question...which was to know the insignia that would have been worn on this style tunic. My assumption was a brassard but I also had thoughts that an NSKK sleeve eagle may have been. As I have stated, I have little knowledge of the NSKK and visit this forum to learn. My question in no way had insinuated this tunic is bad or attacked it in any way. I made no inference as to WHY the insignia in question wasn't present, especially considering I did not KNOW what insignia would have been attached, so Mr. Saris very effectively answered my simple question with an equally simple answer and the knowledge that comes from it is that I now know this style of tunic would have been worn with a brassard, which I did not previously know.

[wewelsburg]

Now I understand the point you are trying to make but you have read far too much into my initial question...which was to know the insignia that would have been worn on this style tunic. My assumption was a brassard but I also had thoughts that an NSKK sleeve eagle may have been. As I have stated, I have little knowledge of the NSKK and visit this forum to learn. My question in no way had insinuated this tunic is bad or attacked it in any way. I made no inference as to WHY the insignia in question wasn't present, especially considering I did not KNOW what insignia would have been attached, so Mr. Saris very effectively answered my simple question with an equally simple answer and the knowledge that comes from it is that I now know this style of tunic would have been worn with a brassard, which I did not previously know.

it was not your response but mr.saris that caused my post,If it was just you responding whom I have no knowledge of yours,I never would have ranted.Its the parrot effect from those with knowledge that is the irritant here.by the way most nskk tunics even wartime had armbands,but added eagles on other sleeve wartime.

[Jon. H]

Sorry for the late replay gentlemen! Thank you for your comments, i'm glad you like it! It certainly is a fine rare tunic!