SA Brownshirt and Coffee Can hat

[Bob Coleman]

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[Ron C.]

That's true, but in period photos you can often see an SA member wearing the wool tunic with a cotton kepi and, although slightly less often, a wool kepi worn with a brownshirt. Definitely not regulation but not overly uncommon.
Erich

Erich,

I am absolutely certain you are correct, because I believe that not soldiers of whatever period likely did not adhere totally to all uniform regulations. Like I said previously in this post, although I was a JAG CPT, due the cost difference I had an extra green uniform that I bought at Quartermaster sales and had the officer stripes and braids put on and worn......it was a regular enlisted uniform. I almost always wore current non-regulation branch insignia and WW2 period sterling bars, with a WW2 eagle on my visor cap. Further, when a younger EM in the 101st, those fancy 101st patches (wool or felt) which were sold at Brick's off post were not regulation, but several guys had uniforms which had those sewn on them.....some had them hidden away and only wore them off post to impress people, but they wore them. I see no reason that the Germans, military or political etc., might well not did the same.

Thanks,
Ron

[Ron C.]

............................Original brownshirt piping doesn't fray that way, and isn't that shiny.

I was doing some more searching for my stuff tonight, and I found this piping that I brought back from Germany along with ribbon stock and other parts. I assume that this is similar to what you are talking about. I had a whole spool, but I used to take it and my other parts to the OVMS at the motel across from Cincinatti....I forget the name of the town and motel where they moved the show from Norwood. I sold a lot to the dealers there, along with ribbon and metal bar mounts, ribbon, numbers and etc..

Ron

[wewelsburg]

That's true, but in period photos you can often see an SA member wearing the wool tunic with a cotton kepi and, although slightly less often, a wool kepi worn with a brownshirt. Definitely not regulation but not overly uncommon.
Erich

Ofcourse but originally it went with his tunic,it probably was up to whatever cap he grabbed that day,or maybe he liked the wool one better,maybe his higher officer wasnt as strict on regs,.But the material of the hat goes with teh material of the shirt as the norm/

[sgstandard]

Piping

That spool of piping appears original. I've seen it used more on shoulderboards and collar tabs, but occasionally on shirts as well. And to Ron - Again I must stress that no one's accusing you of doing ANYTHING to either item. Any suspicions I cast on the items are assumed to apply to previous owners.
BTW, Are you under the impression that this kepi & shirt originally belonged to the same man, and if so, what is that theory based on? And they're probably ok, but please post a closeup of the inside of the kepi's rivets - the rivet experts will know if they're period or not, and that issue will be put to bed. I wasn't questioning the way the wool is attached, just the wool material itself.

[Ron C.]

That spool of piping appears original. ..........................BTW, Are you under the impression that this kepi & shirt originally belonged to the same man.................................. post a closeup of the inside of the kepi's rivets - the rivet experts will know if they're period or not, and that issue will be put to bed....

It is it came from the old tailor shop where I got the ribbons, devices, mounting bars, etc. posted here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=721411 . I also had a lot more, but sold a lot over the years. I had cap eagle and wreaths, collar tabs, boards and etc.. I could have gotten old bolts of uniform fabric.......lots of them in all colors, but I didn't get any.

Earlier I said that I had absolutely no idea that the shirt and cap were originally owned and worn by the same SA man, I don't even know if they are size compatible. The cap is a small size, but I don't know the size markings of the shirt to see if the head size might generally fit with the size of the shirt. All I can say is I got them at the same time from the same man, he was not old enough to have been in the SA himself and was just a fleamarket junk dealer, which he got by cleaning out attics, basements and etc..

As soon as I can get things straightened up some from the work going on again (hit and miss) in my room, another room too, and outside to be able to dig it out and get a place to photograph it, I will take the pictures so you can put your issue to rest............I don't need them, since I have no issue with it and don't want to sell it.

Thanks,
Ron

[Ron C.]

................ no one's accusing you of doing ANYTHING to either item. Any suspicions I cast on the items are assumed to apply to previous owners.

I forgot this point. I already said that I didn't think you were accusing me. In fact if I had done it, I probably would have used the roll of piping I have because I had it long before I found the shirt. Also again, I don't think the guy I got it from would have done it either, and maybe nobody before him, he was a "cheapskate" and paid nothing for the things he had except his labor cleaning out the attics and etc. for the stuff he found there, and even at that time what I paid was cheap for the things. He couldn't have bought them had them put together, or did it hisself, and sold them to me at that price for a profit.

Ron

[Ron C.]

............ but please post a closeup of the inside of the kepi's rivets - the rivet experts will know if they're period or not, and that issue will be put to bed.

Is this what you wanted to see?









I also got a shot of the size, so you could compare it to the shirt size.....if you can tell from the marks what size it is unlike me. 58 for a hat seems small, since I wear a 7 1/2 in U.S. sizes......and I took another shot of the eagle.

Ron

[sgstandard]

Cap

Great pics. I'm no rivet expert, but those sure don't look modern to me. The cap wool looks better in the closeup, also. Thanks for posting. I pick stuff apart on the SS forum as well, as I mentioned. There was a totenkopfring that everyone was slobbering over, and I was considered a heretic for opposing it. Turns out that it's now considered a dud. Some members are quick to say something's ok, and some members are quick to say something's not ok, and everyone else in between. Now, if you ever DO sell the cap, you can point to the consensus on arguably the finest forum of it's kind.