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    #16
    I must echo Tony's note below, concerning some of the 'giants' of our hobby. It seems that one of the realities collectors have accepted is that, over decades, people are branded as "forgers," "fakers" or phonies within our circle of hobbyists and their reputations -- as well as all of the good things they may have done for our hobby in past decades -- is pushed aside and overshadowed by something negative that may have turned up more recently. The names of Bill Rasmussen, Jack Angolia and James Atwood are perhaps the most well-known 'larger-than-life' collectors and students of TR and NSDAP history to have fallen onto bad times, reputation-wise, but many others, especially authors, have been discredited over time and their work bad-mouthed into oblivion.

    Why has this happened? Who among us has never been stung by purchasing a piece we thought to be 'good,' only to find that, years later, that piece was 'bad?' But apparently if Jack Angolia bought a piece back in the 1960s and believed that that piece withstood all the 'tests' that he knew to apply, and then years later he sold that piece to another collector with no bad will intended...only to find since then that piece may have been a skilful reproduction...then that makes Jack Angolia a person with malevolent intentions, out to misrepresent and hoodwink unsuspecting collectors! Am I the only one to think that that conclusion is BS -- especially given all that Jack Angolia has done for this hobby through his publishing work over several decades? Much of what we believe to be true about the details of our hobby today was learned by reading one or more of the books Jack Angolia wrote in his effort to enlighten us all. (I doubt that many of us believe that there has been a fortune made in writing books about TR and NSDAP collecting subjects...by anyone other than the publishers, of course!)

    Apologies for taking up your time with this note, but I for one am deeply grateful that people over these many years have been concerned enough about this hobby I have enjoyed for 50+ years to have spent their time and often their own money in an effort to educate other collectors with the knowledge they have amassed over time. That there are mistakes and erroneous conclusions found in some of those books must be a given over time, but their desire to serve the collecting public deserves more than a footnote in history stating that a certain writer or collector made a mistake or sold an item which turned out to be a fake, years later. IMHO, of course!

    Br. James

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      #17
      I agree 100%--having started collecting when the only books (actually booklets) available in the US were privately published with drawings of awards vs. photographs (e.g. Sawicki), the books by Angolia and others on awards, daggers, uniforms, etc. opened a new dimension on the hobby and research, and inspired others to research and write as well. There were a number of pieces that were thought to be original but that we now know are not, and vice versa.
      Erich
      Festina lente!

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        #18
        Br_James, i think (many) reputations of well known authors have not been destroyed by the mistakes in their books, but by the ON PURPOSE fraudulent actions they made ON PURPOSE, while we all know they knew at the time very well what they did. I can think of quite a few very big names in the hobby who we all know have on purpose frauded or even stolen from fellow collectors. And quite a few are (or were) even active here on the forum too. Anyone remember a certain mr Ailsby? Well, you can fill in a few other names yourself i presume...

        You are a great man and i have on more than one occasion admired you for trying to see the good in people, but authors reputations should as well as every one else's be credited by what they did, and not because of what they wrote in the past. To use a metafor: You can't let a criminal get a free out of jail pass just because "he used to be so nice" when he was younger.

        I think the following saying is really true: it takes a lifetime to built a good reputation, but it takes a very short time to destroy it forever!

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          #19
          I absolutely agree.
          Alisby ruined his reputation after the Prussian disc incident.
          He offered to sell the "so-called" Goring diamond badge. Who knows will this be another clever fake.
          Lastly, can anyone help him out to find a very pretty girl willingly to any request from him. In return, he says he can provide a very good life style for her?
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              #21
              Originally posted by chen View Post
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              That letter makes my day - what a nut!

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                #22
                What sort of letter is that?! Outta ridiculous!

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                  #23
                  Story of the " Pretty Girl" request:
                  Hong Kong Sovereignty to be handed over from British to China in 1997.
                  During the hand over ceremony at Convention center with the lowering of British flag :

                  1.Former China president Jiang Zemin
                  2.Premier of State Council Li Peng
                  3. Prince Charles
                  4.Tong Blair, U.K. prime minister
                  5. Margaret Thatcher
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                    #24
                    Hand over ceremony completed.
                    The sadness of Prince Charles and Tony Blair. Very happy is Preseident Zemin.
                    Guess how much revenue HK can generate for the country of British ?
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                      #25
                      Cris Patten was sad , but not as sad as his two daughters as they can no longer buy the latest electronic products in local shops.
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                        #26
                        PLA entering city and Life style remains the same.
                        Ailsby, thinking he can take the advantage that some local pretty girls want to leave town before PLA comes.......
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                          #27
                          So... Did he find a pretty hook.. I mean a golddigger?

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                            #28
                            Ah Chen, I understand now - so did Ailsby finally get to buy the electronic gadget? iPhone5c?

                            Mil

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by chen View Post
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                              That letter is hilarious....

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                                #30
                                Not as hilarious as this:

                                "You, Ailsby......."
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