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    #16
    And Erich ... to answer your question, no. The auction started today, and I won't have time to get everything done in time to get it in. Plus, I'll enjoy playing with this for the next couple of months!

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      #17
      That is very cool. What is the estimated value of something like this?
      When you go home
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      For your tomorrow
      We gave our today

      --Inscription in the 5th Marine Division cemetery,
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        #18
        This is an exceedingly difficult item to value as these are mostly pretty unique but also appeal to a very narrow set of collectors. While rare, it may never bring the price it should due to its rarity since fewer collect this type of item. The only true gauge of value would be to place this item in a well advertised auction. There are no price guides for items like this.
        Richard V

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          #19
          Originally posted by Richard View Post
          This is an exceedingly difficult item to value as these are mostly pretty unique but also appeal to a very narrow set of collectors. While rare, it may never bring the price it should due to its rarity since fewer collect this type of item. The only true gauge of value would be to place this item in a well advertised auction. There are no price guides for items like this.
          Richard V
          I would agree Richard, perhaps the best for this would be for a museum in Leipzig. If it was on the market as impressive as it is I think $2-3500 might be its hammer price if it was sold in the US. But definatly a German auction would be the place to sell it, Thies or HH becuase it will have more 'local' value to say perhaps a Leipzig collector and then it could go 5k. Who really knows. Cool item.

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            #20
            I agree entirely with Richard and Jon, its a great item but not very collectable. Something like that really does belong in a museum.

            Stan

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              #21
              Unique and outstanding piece!!!

              And a fine typical period silver hallmark.

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                #22
                Great piece - i´m looking forward to the auction and would be happy to own such a piece. Greetings from Leipzig

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                  #23
                  Fascinating piece, no doubt about it!!
                  When you go home
                  Tell them for us and say
                  For your tomorrow
                  We gave our today

                  --Inscription in the 5th Marine Division cemetery,
                  Iwo Jima 1945

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                    #24
                    I do agree that the "value" of this is really hard to nail down outside of an auction, but $2000 to $3000 is not an accurate figure. I'd pay multiples of that to the owner right now, to own this chain. And that's not just me. I've already received an offer far in excess of the value suggested above, and would suggest that were you to hold this in your hand, you'd quickly agree.
                    Last edited by Craig Gottlieb; 01-27-2013, 10:15 AM.

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                      #25
                      It will always be what one man wishes to acquire will determine its worth, i find it bland but the craftmanship is as usual first class, Sean

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                        #26
                        Yeah, we'll know what it was worth, in 3 months!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb View Post
                          I do agree that the "value" of this is really hard to nail down outside of an auction, but $2000 to $3000 is not an accurate figure. I'd pay multiples of that to the owner right now, to own this chain. And that's not just me. I've already received an offer far in excess of the value suggested above, and would suggest that were you to hold this in your hand, you'd quickly agree.
                          Craig, yes it might well be worth 6-9000 and as you say we will know in 3 months. Not worth that to me, but probably to the right people. Oozes class and quality and okay given that in hand feeling your right 2-3000 is too low. Can't get a decent SS NCO cap for that !

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                            #28
                            These have been in demand for years and this is an exceptional one. I would estimate it at 10k. Great history, fantastic workmanship compared to others and with a possible SS mayor's background. Its a winner IMO.

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                              #29
                              It'll be interesting to see if this one sets "records" or not. I personally think this one has a chance to do just that, but in the end, we'll know exactly. The Mayor was, indeed, an SS Gruppenführer, but I don't know how much that will play into the value. This is more about the city of Leipzig, and more about the quality craftsmanship, and less, IMO, about the SS connection. I know I'd pay $10K to the owners, if they'd let me just keep it. They say there was a box for it, and some other "stuff" but they're unable to locate said material, currently.

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                                #30
                                Craig Id be interested to see the cufftitle,what type is it?The administration type,grey?

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