Weird Swastika Thing

[oldflagswanted]

Curved swastika use ???

The swastika resembles the one used by the
Deutsche Christen or Glaubensbewegung, although
this is pure speculation from my side.

Curved swastika reminds me of those used in the
odd Munich Tag Der Deutschen Kunst parades.
OFW

[Don D.]

The "down arrow" maker's mark looks more like Thor's Hammer to me. Perhaps a Scandinavian made piece.....

[Capt. R]

another possible TR silver plated Brooch / Brosche

just found this thread...great and interesting info here. Thanks esp. to Jabnus for his scholarship in this area!

This brooch reminds me of the Germanien cover posted below. Is it a known pattern of any maker perhaps?

Can I please get any opinions as to what it is or what it MAY be from my fellow collectors on here? TR produced? Stamped "830 S" on reverse. Fake Pearls.

We really need a Forum sub-division for Third Reich Cultural items which should be further broken down into sub-categories for Gahr, Allach, Art objects etc. I would really enjoy that.

[Capt. R]

brooch part 2

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[Capt. R]

brooch or shield on Germanien cover

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[jabnus]

Hi,


It's nice to see this topic being bumped up again.


To be short: it's not a Gahr related item, the design, the construction, both are not in line with Gahr's quality. Im leaning towards a possible scandinavian brooch again.


It is also not in line with the brooch on the cover of the Germanien magazine. The "old germanic" jewelry in those might look similar to the untrained eye, but is actually of a different construction. The brooch here is too detailed.


Im not sure if you still want to buy it so won't reveal the link, but look at how it is advertised again:

Brosche ähnlich wie die Broschen aus dem Atelier Gahr

mit Stempelung 830 S.

unechte Perlen

versilbert, die filigranen Teile silber?

Durchmesser ca.:

Aus dem Nachlass Sepp Summers Musiker und Komponist mehrerer Märsche für die NSDAP und HJ etc. im 3. Reich.

Again with namedropping of Gahr, an ephansis on the silver marks, et cetera. Look at the first page of this topic, it's the exact same practice again. What we need now is only someone shouting "Reichsnährstand" again, et voila...


There are nicer original period (wartime) brooches currently for sale on various sites, even ebay!


best regards,
Gaston

[Gaspare]

nice work there Cap!

These pieces were private purchase. IF you look on German eBay you will occasionally find them,,and usually in the 40 to 70 euro range. Even more interesting is you will also find period photos of them in wear...

[Capt. R]

here is a close match to that mark...maybe not exact but close.

See # 342.

[Capt. R]

or this one?

these are old marks so not sure how long they would be in continual use.

[Michael Fay]

just found this thread...great and interesting info here. Thanks esp. to Jabnus for his scholarship in this area!

This brooch reminds me of the Germanien cover posted below. Is it a known pattern of any maker perhaps?

Can I please get any opinions as to what it is or what it MAY be from my fellow collectors on here? TR produced? Stamped "830 S" on reverse. Fake Pearls.

:

Cap,
use logic, this design is generic to (at least) the Scandinavia-Germanic areas-I bet I could find these styles in even Slavic areas and the USA (i.e. Wisconsin,Minnesota where so many Scandis arrived in past migrations) Such a design appears to me to be traditional type that would have been en vogue for a long time,
and popular for generations before the acceleration of needing jewelry to be modernized.
Trying to tie Germaniens and Gahr to these will not be so simple.
If it was ,all those collectors who thought of this a long time ago would have amassed them.
In short , other collectors have followed this path before you thought of this.
Hate to get ideological here but it is

The SS was whole sale grabbing almost everything "traditional" and claiming it as theirs.
I know you know this, but apply it to the jewelry item you posted, and realize it is not SS making them , as much as SS simply trying to ascribe their prolific(found in many areas) and popular(sign of Germanic antecedents and consciousness) design to a greater Germanic consciousness.

The only way to really be even semi-certain of SS connection is...well, much more difficult. -perhaps almost impossible without it being proven as a Gahr piece, or a Third Reich era ONLY jewelry maker with some type of Nazi /SS connection , or (as others have said/shown) and exact piece being worn in period photo of someone related to the SS=and even then, it may only be a non NS ideologically driven piece of jewelry created in Denmark or Sweden, etc. that FIT their newly formulated SS ideals
P.S.
if anyone disagrees I will enjoy being instructed in the error of my ways.

[Capt. R]

another piece with same mark

found this image on-line. The mark is very clear here.

And I found a similar design as produced in Germany in a slightly esoteric publication as MF is fond of saying

[Capt. R]

OK, Found the exact one in another elusive publication!

[Dmv]

Wow Capt, you found it!!!
Any more info on that publication? Please show more.

[paulj]

Great research. I tried to find a thread in the SS section with a "cultural" items title. It's a long thread with discussions ranging from interior design and furniture, to other Germanic bits and pieces like jewelry, etc. It's worth a search. As I recall there are some references to specific makers and designers of this sort of material.

[Capt. R]

yes, Paul, you are correct. But that cultural items thread is a double-edged sword. Lots of good info but mixed in are also some dubious items and claims. You have to really do research to get close to the truth and I do not think anyone has the corner on the entire truth on a lot of these items that we like to discuss. It has been quite a journey we have all taken together over the past few years on here.

I do take a bit of comfort in knowing my hard work to learn the maker of DMV's amazing brooch paid off! It is a beauty and now we know it is the real deal.

I am still looking into the possible mother's brooch I purchased and attempting to learn the maker based off the mark. Not much progress to-date unfort. on that.