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    I have a couple of sets, I'll try to get photos.

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      Originally posted by ErichS View Post
      Also not AH but Obersaltzberg, my teapot from the Platterhof.
      Nice piece, Erich.

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        That would be awesome!

        Originally posted by CPB View Post
        I have a couple of sets, I'll try to get photos.

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          That knife and fork marked "Eigentum der Verwaltung Obersalzberg" -- "Property of Obersalzberg administration" are interesting pieces. The "Obersalzberg Administration" was Bormann's name for the whole territory surrounding the Berghof and enclosed by wire and SS guards. Since many of the buildings which comprised the "Obersalzberg Administration" were private homes of the NSDAP leadership, as well as hotels, guest houses, the Kehlstein Haus, the SS barracks, etc., -- many of which had their own particular tableware -- I wonder what specific areas or buildings these two pieces shown by CPB were made for?

          Br. James

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            I have no idea. The veteran said he picked his pieces up from the Berghof, but memories get fuzzy after 70 years.

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              Thanks, CPB. I think I've seen other examples of this 'Obersalzberg Administration' tableware in the past, though not sure where...guess that vet is not the only person with a potentially 'fuzzy' memory, and I ain't quite 70 yet!! Perhaps someone else here has more information on this question?

              Cheers,

              Br. James

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                These are for sale on the E-Stand, has anyone seen this pattern before?

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=739442

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                  There seems to be a surge of lesser-known EB and AH cutlery at the moment. Ebay is full of it, especially the EB pieces [see here:http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=739444]

                  Lakeside Trader had a haul that was discussed here, and is now being auctioned off piece by piece.

                  I don't think anybody really knows what's good and what isn't. Dr Griffith's book is probably a good place to start, but his pictures are sketchy at best.

                  The problem has always been that, even in righteous pieces, EB's monogram would have been hand-engraved, which means replicating it today is as easy as buying a job lot of vintage tableware and doing the same.

                  It comes down to provenance and the chain of ownership since they were looted. And very pieces will have that.

                  Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable owning the EB pieces in the above link.

                  I'm less familiar with the AH pieces, and others here will have a view on those. The only ones I have ever owned have come with veteran history – gift-ware and others.
                  Last edited by CPB; 05-19-2014, 07:39 AM.

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                    I feel that a lot of supposedly AH items are period pieces with modern engravings. I have seen some items that are horrible looking fakes and it is very obvious that when a tarnished piece of silverware has an engraving that is super shiny it is fake, I mean come on fakers.

                    The pieces for sale I am not sure on, I have one of the Runic pattern AH knives but mine looks different and much more uniform and everything makes me happy about it then the runic ones for sale so I kind of get a bad feeling.

                    Not saying it is a fake for sure but I just am not 100% sure.

                    Originally posted by CPB View Post
                    There seems to be a surge of lesser-known EB and AH cutlery at the moment. Ebay is full of it, especially the EB pieces [see here:http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=739444]

                    Lakeside Trader had a haul that was discussed here, and is now being auctioned off piece by piece.

                    I don't think anybody really knows what's good and what isn't. Dr Griffith's book is probably a good place to start, but his pictures are sketchy at best.

                    The problem has always been that, even in righteous pieces, EB's monogram would have been hand-engraved, which means replicating it today is as easy as buying a job lot of vintage tableware and doing the same.

                    It comes down to provenance and the chain of ownership since they were looted. And very pieces will have that.

                    Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable owning the EB pieces in the above link.

                    I'm less familiar with the AH pieces, and others here will have a view on those. The only ones I have ever owned have come with veteran history – gift-ware and others.

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                      Stick to the official AH pieces and you can do nothing wrong - these are the most elegant ones anyway.

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                        That's always a safe route! I have heard of some of these faked too

                        Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post
                        Stick to the official AH pieces and you can do nothing wrong - these are the most elegant ones anyway.

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                          Originally posted by Knight_ridergta View Post
                          That's always a safe route! I have heard of some of these faked too
                          Nonsense.

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                            Faked yes, but not convincingly.

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                              I can't remember where I heard it but someone said there were some fakes coming out of South America

                              Originally posted by CPB View Post
                              Faked yes, but not convincingly.

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                                Originally posted by Knight_ridergta View Post
                                I can't remember where I heard it but someone said there were some fakes coming out of South America
                                Those were spoons and after taking a semi close look you can see the differences compared to an original of the same spoon.

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