Broken Small Gold Party Pin Original?

[juoneen]

Jon Hunts in his sleep!

[Jon Fish]

Do you do anything else but hunting ?

A = numbered

B = dated (honorary)

4 kids and a full time job-60 hours a week, then hunting

What would be the purpose of this though, the disks are the same?
Maybe to do with the worker on the line- to identify what line produced them, maybe 2 lines/machines producing disks. Or has been mentioned before maybe these disks produced by other companies,signified by an internal letter for quality control reasons once at Deschler, rather than another companies actual markings?

[Jon Fish]

Both 'B' disks are marked in a different location from the 'A' disk, sign of the disks coming from different companies or just chance?
Also note a small difference in the vent hole.

[der-hase-fee]

The positions of the letters are specific to the die, IMO.

The B saw some deburring around the vent hole while A did not. Maybe an additional work step manufacturer related. How about the second B ?

[der-hase-fee]

4 kids and a full time job-60 hours a week, then hunting

And your spouse takes zero hours out of your day ?

[Jon Fish]

And your spouse takes zero hours out of your day ?

Hunt and talk, hunt and talk
Who says us guys can't multi task?

[CPB]

Hunt and talk, hunt and talk
Who says us guys can't multi task?

Yeah I've done the ol' "hunt and talk" thing many a time.

Her: "You haven't listened to a word I've been saying have you?"
Me: "Sorry, what?"
SLAM

[Br. James]

Tantalizing artifacts, Jon! If I may, my opinion at this moment is that the A and B-marked base blanks have nothing to do with whether the finished badge was intended to be a numbered or an honorary piece; the pin setup on both seem to be the same. One thing I notice from the two sets of pix you've shared with us is that the casting of the leaves on the obverse of the A blank appears to be more sharply defined than the leafwork on the B blank. Perhaps the A blanks were from an earlier run or die, with the B indicating a later edition?

Have we seen such base blanks from either the small Deschler or the Fuess-marked badge? If so, were they similarly marked A and B?

A most interesting topic! Thanks for shining light here, Jon!

Br. James

[der-hase-fee]

my opinion at this moment is that the A and B-marked base blanks have nothing to do with whether the finished badge was intended to be a numbered or an honorary piece

Me neither. So the numbering was done after the gilding.

Perhaps the A blanks were from an earlier run or die, with the B indicating a later edition?

The letters are in the die, therefore yes, two different dies. When you compare the B's, you'll find a few flaws that are the same on both, i.e. they came from the same die. Just so happened that the A badge was numbered when manufacturing was interrupted, while the B's were not yet.

Interesting that all three are military style.

[ErichS]

Me neither. So the numbering was done after the gilding.



The letters are in the die, therefore yes, two different dies. When you compare the B's, you'll find a few flaws that are the same on both, i.e. they came from the same die. Just so happened that the A badge was numbered when manufacturing was interrupted, while the B's were not yet.

Interesting that all three are military style.

I have noticed that on badges with the military style pin the leaves have a more defined spine.

[der-hase-fee]

I have noticed that on badges with the military style pin the leaves have a more defined spine.

Is that based on an in-hand inspection or just pictures, Erich ? Tough to tell from pictures only.

[Br. James]

Hi Andreas,

I want to respond to your response:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Br. James View Post
my opinion at this moment is that the A and B-marked base blanks have nothing to do with whether the finished badge was intended to be a numbered or an honorary piece

Me neither. So the numbering was done after the gilding.

The numbering of GPBs as well as the dating of honorary badges appears to be seamless in terms of the gilding of the areas in which the numbers, dates and AH lettering were stamped. I have never been certain how the stamping could be done AFTER the gilding of the base blank, for then the blank would surely have needed to be re-gilded in order to match in the stamped areas. Any further thoughts as to how this could have happened, with the outcome being a smooth, gilded surface which looked like the numbers and letters were stamped into the blank prior to its gilding?

Br. James

[sdesember]

Fire Gilding with Mercury & Amalgalm

A similar process used with the GPBs, perhaps?

http://youtu.be/yZbzD6UhdJk

[Br. James]

Very interesting video -- many thanks for sharing it with us! We can never learn enough about these unique and skilled production processes.

Cheers,

Br. James

[sdesember]

"A" was, maybe, from the firm Assmann? (Although, the Serif on the "A" on the GPB looks rather shorter than the one on the Assmann's logo.) I remember from my Blankewaffen collecting days thay the company supplied metal clips for SS daggers leather hangers. Maybe Assmann also supplied the blanks for other medals and badges firms?