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Yes I also prefer the standard numbered and attributed pieces but if your a type collector I guess a AH pin is essential.Comment
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Ah gpb 1939
I prefer ONLY this style of engraving on the A.H. badges
http://pages.interlog.com/~sjl/GPB/ahaward.htmlComment
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That's what I am talking about, thanks for posting, John !!!Originally posted by John Pepera View Post
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I think we should really take into account what John Pepera just stated above.
And I would also like to hear what Stephen, our resident "Gold Party Pin Guy" has
to say about this particular example.....Comment
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Attached to my posting above is a link to Stephan's Gold Party Badge site.Comment
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So according to the website, if I follow the information correctly, the engraving on this badge would be questionable since it's done by hand and not stamped for a 30th of January example?
If true, wouldn't this make the whole badge questionable?
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Erich,
There is nothing wrong, incorrect or questionable about the date.
I will not speak for Stephan however he specifically points out his opinion of the correct style of lettering on these A.H. badges.
Myself, I am not an advocate of these 'hand engraved' types having crude, unsymmetrical and amateurish engraving. Personally, besides the points I make above this badge being a special presentation by A.H. and manufactured by Deschler, I would highly doubt that there would be any amateurish variations.
Or more so, why would there be?
(note more examples below)
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Those are great GPB's Mr Pepera. I see that these stamped dates are having exactly the same font as used for the numbered GPB. Could it be possible that these were used when Hitler bestowed some small group of people at the same data. And the engraving was used by a quick, less unexpected bestowal? Just a thought...
The ones for Keitel and Brauchitsch (March 1939) are engraved and pictured by Patzwall in his book.
Regards, WimFreedom is not for FreeComment
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I agree with John. I previously owned a large GPB with the improved pin. It was without a number or presentation. These unissued ones are the ones that are being engraved with the bogus info IMO.Comment
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I cannot determine if the original badge starting this thread has initials and date that are hand engraved or machine engraved, if that is what John is referring to above, as his examples have impressed numbers I believe.Originally posted by John Pepera View Post
But, I believe Stephen who runs the Gold Party Pin web site does acknowledge both impressed initials and date, as well as machine engraved in some circumstances. The 1943 issue of the A.H. pin was a commemorative issue celebrating the tenth anniversary of the Coming to Power and the pins were not personally bestowed by Fuhrer. Five nominees were solicited from the Fuhrer's office from all Gaues, Reich offices and affiliated party groups. The were produced in stipulated groups, en masse and shipped with presentation papers to the respective organization for presentation.
Examples of the machine engraved variation featuring the full year number (1943) have been acquired intact with uniforms. In addition, documentation exists indicating reworking and/or additional acquisition of replacement badges. This is my 1943 A.H. badge.Comment
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Nothing wrong with engraved AH presentation GPBs - and his one looks like a classic example. It's a good guess that they were extra or replacement badges ordered after the initial award of an impressed date badge.
Sorry if my website was unclear.Comment
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Thanks to everyone for clearing this up for me
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Joe,
Yes, variation engraved A.H. badges have been found intact on uniforms however and more specifically to the point is WHEN were they attached and what provenance is there regards the badges and which style engraving? I am aware of many such A.H. badges (the type beginning this thread) to include a couple purportedly from your area that were supposed to be 'uncovered' on uniforms with these type of spurious A.H. badges.
Yes, there are legitimate, period reworked and replaced standard G.P. badges (complete reasons unknown) which I discovered and furthered this information about numbers that were removed and then 'roto-engraved' with replacement numbers however I have no evidence nor a logical reason nor have I ever heard of any or why an A.H. badge would be re-worked.
Joe, I have copies of period documentation relative to the 1943 badges which shows the names of approximately 75 persons that received these 1943 dated badges (certainly there were more) Is this the 'en masse' mailing that you are referring to? Please elaborate further about your below statement. Are you saying that all 1943 badges were commemorative badges of the Coberg event and no 1943 badges were presented by the Fuhrer?
"The 1943 issue of the A.H. pin was a commemorative issue celebrating the tenth anniversary of the Coming to Power and the pins were not personally bestowed by Fuhrer. Five nominees were solicited from the Fuhrer's office from all Gaues, Reich offices and affiliated party groups. The were produced in stipulated groups, en masse and shipped with presentation papers to the respective organization for presentation" (Joe Wotka)
Stephan,
Are you referring to 'engraved' badges like the badge that began this thread, the type as shown by Joe Wotka, the type as shown by Steve Wolfe with fancy style engraving or the style of engraving on the 'Keitel and Brauchitsch' examples?
Also and meaning no disrespect and although you state that "and his one looks like a classic example", I believe that you are incorrect in your assuming or opinion in regards to the style of engraving on the badge that began this thread. In my opinion, this specific style is a fairly contemporary offering which originated in Europe and was distributed slowly via discreet channels.
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John
The engraved dedication on the badge that began this thread is different from the style of engraving shown on mine, that is similar to the one that was uncovered in my area that was found on a documented party uniform along with another badge with different style of attachment. Is it the brooch style badge of which mine is an example that your have determined to be "spurious" because it differs from your standard impressed dedication? I believe the discussion was that these styles were not reworked, but additional orders completed on a piece-meal basis after the initial large order from the Partei Kanzlei was completed. There is documentation of these orders occurring after initial receipt of the AH badges. I believe this to be a logical explanation of variances from the standard fare of AH badge. Individual engraving was done on GPBs, so why not find an example on the AH variety?
As to my comments about distribution, perhaps we have some of the same documentation about these badges. The 10th anniversary I mentioned was the celebration of the Coming to Power on 30.1.1933, not the Coburg march that occurred earlier in party history. It was stated in party circular that the Fuhrer wished to commemorate the date by issuing a Goldene Partei Ehrenzeichen (of Goldene Ehrenzeichen, I can't remember which) and requested recommendations as I mentioned above. The badges were not specifically presented by the Fuhrer, but were mailed out in quantities of five pair with documentation for presentation. There were 43 Gaues, so that makes 215 sets for the Gaues alone. Add in the rest of the crew and you are approaching 300. You are correct that I meant " no 1943 badges were presented by the Fuhrer." But I wrote "personally bestowed", so if the documentation accompanied it, I guess you can say the badges came from the Fuhrer.
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