A couple of Cultural items

[Thorsten B.]

Well, in the field of wooden items it is very easy to separate the authentic ones from any possible copies or fakes - scientific methods can detect that for sure and it is not too expensive as well.

There is an institute located in Bavaria that does a lot of research and offers it´s expert opinion in that field of antiques for museums as well as for any private orederer of their assessments.

[Thorsten B.]

Not too long ago there was a very informative article written about their methods and the development in scientific possibilities to detect fakes in the collecting field of old - and also newer - pieces of furniture in the german art magazin "Weltkunst".

If I am not mistaken there is also an english version of the "Weltkunst" in the international market.

For example sending in the item or a part of it and ordering their written assessment starts already at about 250-350 Euros for one piece - that´s a real good choice in my opinion!

[Steve T]

For example sending in the item or a part of it and ordering their written assessment starts already at about 250-350 Euros for one piece - that´s a real good choice in my opinion!

You mean spending that amount to verify a wooden plate is good value, you must be kidding here? We are looking at nazi plates for a few hundreds not fine furniture so are you talking away from of the context of nazi plates?

Having been a scientist myself I'm curious, what is the technique?

[Thorsten B.]

Steve,

Wooden plates are not the only wooden cultural items of the Third Reich.

Apart from that some wooden plates are combined with a price tag that leaves still room for spending 250 Euros for such an assessment for sure - when buying a wooden plate for the amount of $3850 for example I think an investment like that makes sense.

[Steve T]

Steve,

Wooden plates are not the only wooden cultural items of the Third Reich.

Apart from that some wooden plates are combined with a price tag that leaves still room for spending 250 Euros for such an assessment for sure - when buying a wooden plate for the amount of $3850 for example I think an investment like that makes sense.

Ok so you were talking in general, not just plates. Yes for sure, on a more expensive piece that is questionable then a few hundred € could be a good investment.

Out of interest, what wooden nazi plates would actually be realistically valued at near 4K? OK ok, I see Germania International http://www.germaniainternational.com/bread.html Check out the one that looks brand new, and cheaper ... I think maybe the decimal point should still be moved three places!

Still curious about a technique that can tell a piece of wood, irrespective of its age, was carved in the 12 year time period of the TR. Really quite amazing if it works!

[ErichS]

The more the elaborate ornamentation on a plate it makes me run the other way. JMO

[Michael Fay]

Ok so you were talking in general, not just plates. Yes for sure, on a more expensive piece that is questionable then a few hundred € could be a good investment.

Out of interest, what wooden nazi plates would actually be realistically valued at near 4K? OK ok, I see Germania International http://www.germaniainternational.com/bread.html Check out the one that looks brand new, and cheaper ... I think maybe the decimal point should still be moved three places!

Still curious about a technique that can tell a piece of wood, irrespective of its age, was carved in the 12 year time period of the TR. Really quite amazing if it works!

chuckle,
I used to ask him the same question about this site all the time.
Pretty sure I still have the responces too-they were worth keeping.
I think we are ALL "curious about a technique that can tell a piece of wood, irrespective of its age, was carved in the 12 year time period of the TR."
Lets here more about this Holy Grail of Third Reich wooden authenticitification

[Thorsten B.]

Family plate

You mean a Sippenteller like this for example?

[Steve T]

IMO wooden plates pushing at the door of $4k is quite simply ridiculous. Part of the fun with these items is they are relatively affordable with their current more realistic prices in 100's not 1000's of $.

[Thorsten B.]

Here is the scientific method - very well described and full with worthful info:

www.spectroscopyforart.com/index-de.htm

And I was wrong: the prices start already at 100 Euros!

[Michael Fay]

agreed

IMO wooden plates pushing at the door of $4k is quite simply ridiculous. Part of the fun with these items is they are relatively affordable with their current more realistic prices in 100's not 1000's of $.

Yes, my collecting of these items is done . I have about seven. It is enough. Luckily I got them before the onslaught of promotion and so feel more comfortable that they are authentic. Especially the one I got 5 years ago from a big time dealer who had no idea what it represented in any way:culturally, ideologically, etc.

[Steve T]

You mean a Sippenteller like this for example?

Wonderful plate Thorsten and I would be very surprised if it was tested and found to be made yesterday. I'd personally be quite comfort buying it without scientific analysis.

I've not seen a plate yet to justify a 4K price tag though.

[Thorsten B.]

For that method they need a tiny piece of wood taken directly from the object in question - by drilling a little hole in it and take it off.

I would love to see this being done with all SS MK boxes already shown here and see which examples are really authentic

[Steve T]

Here is the scientific method - very well described and full with worthful info:

www.spectroscopyforart.com/index-de.htm

And I was wrong: the prices start already at 100 Euros!

For us Thorsten its close to useless if it just tells the age of the wood. I could go chop down the walnut tree in my garden, leave it to season a year and carve a plate, have may plate tested and told its 120 years old.

[Thorsten B.]

Thank you, Steve!

Nonetheless it gets even better by having a look at it´s backside: