Interesting Kreis Visor on Ebay

[stonemint]

This is an interesting one on ebay that perplexes me a little, but I really like it. It is what apparently is a Form 3 Kreis with some unusual features.

First of all, it bears the imprint of an M-34 eagle, which techically should be on a Form 2. At this stage, an M-36 should be on it, and later, the M-37.

Second, the velvet is not the light brown (hellbraun) of the Form 3 model, nor is it the chocolate brown of the Form 2. The velvet appears to be more of the Rustbrown of the Form IV model.


I believe it to be a transitional piece between the Form 2 and the Form 3. It is definately a Wehrmachtschnitt (sattelform), so imho, it cannot be considered a Form 2.

[stonemint]

I have no idea what this tag is supposed to be for, but it appears to be Austrian, which wouldn't make sense, as the Anschluss did not occur until 1938:

[stonemint]

Tag close-up:

[stonemint]

This is the first I have seen of this maker-- Carl Roth . Roth later became "absorbed" by Franz Ritter (for obvious reasons.) This appears to be a non-RZM, private purchase piece:

[stonemint]

Close-up of the Roth logo :

[stonemint]

For comparison, here is your classic Form 2. Note the M-34 eagle, chocolate-brown band, and the low profile.

Anyone have any thoughts on the ebay piece?

[Jeff Clark]

Did you get it?

[TxGauleiter]

it has a very attractive shape...

[stonemint]

Did you get it?

C'mon, Jeff, you know I only collect Form 4!

BTW, I plucked this pic of some obscure website ( ) to show what a textbook Form 3 looks like:

[TxGauleiter]

is the ebay visor still for sale?

[Bob Coleman]

I like the cap. Here is my black piped Kreisleitung cap with the gold eagle and chin cord indicating the owner held the rank of Kreisleiter

[Pascal Bernhard]

I like it too !

[stonemint]

is the ebay visor still for sale?

Tex, yes it is, but it is on German Ebay. Do a search using the word Kreis and it will come up. The price is over $500 now.

[Bigbander]

does the insignia come with it? I have known sellers to take insignia off to get the item past the ebay police....I bought a DRK visor that way a few years back.

[sturmbannfuhrer]

We need to revisit this cap after the recent developments of this maker mark being used by Janke...

J T