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**M. Zimmer** · 03-23-2018, 01:54 AM

The Ehrenmal is in the "Arkades" between the Theatre and ths City-castle called Ehrenburg

**Military** · 03-24-2018, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by JoeW View Post

I see. It is in the Palace? The Veste Coburg? Thank you.

I saw the second photo in one of my police magazines and I thought a Coburg monument was built commemorating the 1922 March with the monument taking the sword from the badge. Did Hitler take his design for the sword in the Coburg badge from the WWI Ehrenmal in the Veste Coburg?

Very good theory, Joe. I would agree that Hitler would have gotten inspiration of the badge from his visit to Veste Coburg.

Mil

**Military** · 03-24-2018, 02:45 AM

Note the image below from one of the last reunions for Coburg Participants in 1941 / 42 (courtesy of Marcus). The rendition of the sword, especially the handle is very tapered as shown in the photo which Hitler is pictured. The only thing that was not replicated was the "triangle" detail just below the handle? However, the tapering of the handle is not reproduced in the badge itself but rather convex shaped.

**Military** · 03-24-2018, 02:56 AM

Eleonore Bauer `Sister Pia' with Gauleiter Adolf Wagner. Note her BO and CB in wear. I wonder if she qualified for the SS TK Honor Ring as the degree is that if you were awarded a CB you would be qualified for the ring??

Mil

**ErichS** · 03-24-2018, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Military View Post

Eleonore Bauer `Sister Pia' with Gauleiter Adolf Wagner. Note her BO and CB in wear. I wonder if she qualified for the SS TK Honor Ring as the degree is that if you were awarded a CB you would be qualified for the ring??

Mil

No, she wasn't an SS member.

She also didn't have the GPB because she let her party membership lapse.

**Br. James** · 03-24-2018, 10:31 AM

Seeing this photo of Sister Pia wearing the Coburg Badge and the BO, I note that the name of "Schwester Pia" -- Eleonore Baur -- is not listed as a holder of the Coburg Badge in either the document titled "Coburg 1922-1932," which was published in 1935 by the Oberste-SA-Führung, or in Robin Lumsden's list, expanded by a few names found in the DALs. Pardon me if this has been discussed previously.

Br. James

**Military** · 05-26-2018, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by ErichS View Post

Many have wondered if the Coburg badge was awarded in a case because none have ever been seen. After reading Ludeke's book and being a first hand account of the event, there would not have been a reason for a case due to Hitler actually handing out the badge to each of the aprox. 436 recipients on the anniversary of the event in 1932. The CB was one of the very few awards actually handed out to recipients by the Fuhrer which makes it quite unique.

Sometimes re-reading old threads like this, you relearn something that the first pattern ones were awarded personally by Hitler.

**ErichS** · 05-26-2018, 11:05 AM

It’s come to light that due to Hitlers schedule, he couldn’t have personally handed out each badge at the event in Coburg. I do think that it it’s very possible that he did personally award a few though.

**Br. James** · 05-26-2018, 12:25 PM

Thanks for this latest information, Erich; much appreciated. I do find it hard to accept that any such high-ranking decoration would have been awarded without a specially-designed presentation case, even though we've yet to see even one that has survived till today. With hundreds of Coburg Badge awards being made, either in person or through other means, and with the scant few badges that are accounted for now, it's not too difficult to imagine that those who received such a prestigious award would have wanted to wear it constantly, and the case it came in got lost in the mists of time.

Certainly we know how very few award cases survive today from the AH Honorary Golden Party Badge awards, yet there were close to a thousand such honorary presentations made. (I believe we understand that the regular GPBs were presented without cases, and these would surely total over 30,000 badges -- including all of the additional pieces individuals ordered over time.) Such decorations as the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, together with the additional Oak Leaves and Swords, each came with it's own presentation case, and how few of those cases survive today. Just for example!

Br. James

**JoeW** · 05-29-2018, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Military View Post

Sometimes re-reading old threads like this, you relearn something that the first pattern ones were awarded personally by Hitler.

Originally posted by ErichS View Post

It’s come to light that due to Hitlers schedule, he couldn’t have personally handed out each badge at the event in Coburg. I do think that it it’s very possible that he did personally award a few though.

Originally posted by Br. James View Post

Thanks for this latest information, Erich; much appreciated. I do find it hard to accept that any such high-ranking decoration would have been awarded without a specially-designed presentation case, even though we've yet to see even one that has survived till today. With hundreds of Coburg Badge awards being made, either in person or through other means, and with the scant few badges that are accounted for now, it's not too difficult to imagine that those who received such a prestigious award would have wanted to wear it constantly, and the case it came in got lost in the mists of time.

Certainly we know how very few award cases survive today from the AH Honorary Golden Party Badge awards, yet there were close to a thousand such honorary presentations made. (I believe we understand that the regular GPBs were presented without cases, and these would surely total over 30,000 badges -- including all of the additional pieces individuals ordered over time.) Such decorations as the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, together with the additional Oak Leaves and Swords, each came with it's own presentation case, and how few of those cases survive today. Just for example!

Br. James

With these long threads, it is often deja vu all over again.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...er#post5390839

Beginning at post #821, the proceedings of the event were related by Schwede-Coburg in his book. Erich pointed out Ludecke's review of the event differed in some respects. But the historical facts are that Hitler arrived at the event on the final day and left after his speech to the multitudes on at the sports field. The badges cost RM 1,50 which IMO precluded any production of a "case". As I wrote six years ago, I believe they were in simple paper packets.

**Gary B** · 05-30-2018, 10:00 AM

Ratisbon's will be offering a Coburg Badge stickpin in their upcoming auction in June. Not sure what the consensus is on this one - it does not have the die flaws that mine has.

Gary B

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**Military** · 05-31-2018, 02:00 PM

I personally won't make a bid for the Ratisbon's Coburg stickpin. It looks closely identical to the one discussed in post 1799, sans the stamping.

**Military** · 05-31-2018, 02:14 PM

An older thread shows member Hakan stating that two sizes of mini stickpins exist but I can't be sure and have no understanding of how those measurements were made. He says that 14mm and 16mm ones were sold before.

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/Forums/s...d.php?t=780322

**der-hase-fee** · 05-31-2018, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Military View Post

I personally won't make a bid for the Ratisbon's Coburg stickpin.

Me either. And for GPB 56515 neither.

Here is one that looks as crappy, but with patina.

**Military** · 06-01-2018, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by der-hase-fee View Post

Me either. And for GPB 56515 neither.

Here is one that looks as crappy, but with patina.

Hi DHF,

So you’re saying the “crappy” one sold by e-medals is no good?

Mil

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