To bring back the subject to the CB, it's interesting to note that like the BO and GPB, Hitler made honor wards of the CB as well. You see that with the additional recipients of the badge who were not at the March and not one of the original 436 names. My guess is that the RZM badges were used as honor awards, replacements and additional badges which could be purchased by the original 436.
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Hi Erich,
In a word, no, none of the ten women listed have BO numbers assigned to them. Of course, that is not unusual in itself since only a very few of the 2nd Issue BOs on the Patzwall list have numbers assigned to them. There appear to have been 22 separate dates on which BO awards made in all, beginning with the 1st Issue conferred on 11/9/33, of which all have numbers though a few of those numbers are missing names. The first group of the 2nd Issue BO conferrals was made on 2/17/39 with the final group on 5/6/42. It is also interesting to note that the BO was only conferred singly -- not in the context of a group of recipients -- to Emil Paukner on 3/28/40, an Austrian living in Baden, and to Dr. Robert Ley on 4/3/40, and neither of them was listed with a number. This as recorded by Klaus Patzwall.
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Br. james, I'm sure there were females who were awarded the 2nd pattern BO but none posthumously. Another interesting example is Heydrich who was said to have received a posthumous award in 1942 but none was shown on his funeral pillow. Also, his name doesn't appear on any award lists that I have seen.Comment
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Dear Erich,
Indeed there were female 2nd Issue BO recipients other than the ten mentioned previously; I just happened to come across two of them by accident: Anna Pohl of Ötz/Tirol and Emma Weidinger of Mürzzuschlag, both listed among the last group of recipients on 5/6/42, and I agree that there were probably a number of others. And I too recall reading somewhere that Heydrich had received the BO posthumously. His name does not appear on either of the two generations of Klaus Patzwall's BO list or on the Brückner list -- this, of course was a list of only the 1st Issue recipients. What may be at play here is confusion between the BO recipients and the 'martyrs of the movement.' I also have a list titled "Ehrenliste der Blut Opfer der Bewegung," a year-by-year martyrology which was xeroxed out of a now-unknown period publication. This list with the Putsch dead of 1923 and continues with such luminaries as Albert Leo Schlageter, Dietrich Eckart(!), Horst Wessel, Herbert Norkus, Hans Maikowski...and ending with Reinhard Heydrich in 1942. This may well be where the legend of Heydrich's receiving the BO began.
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Ehrenliste der Blut Opfer der Bewegung," a year-by-year martyrology which was xeroxed out of a now-unknown period publication
This list comes probably from the 1944 edition of the "Ich Kämpfe" book.
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Br. James, I think that the Martyrs families were possibly given some sort of token or a mini version of the BO in a frame since there's no proof of them actually given the BO.
So, does anyone have a new Coburg Badge in their collection that they would like to share?Comment
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You are correct with your statement, "What may be at play here is confusion between the BO recipients and the 'martyrs of the movement.' I also have a list titled "Ehrenliste der Blut Opfer der Bewegung," a year-by-year martyrology which was xeroxed out of a now-unknown period publication. This list with the Putsch dead of 1923 and continues with such luminaries as Albert Leo Schlageter, Dietrich Eckart(!), Horst Wessel, Herbert Norkus, Hans Maikowski...and ending with Reinhard Heydrich in 1942. This may well be where the legend of Heydrich's receiving the BO began."
The list of the 'martyrs of the movement.' are also given the Blood Order. Interestingly some are for events previouse to 1923.
The Big But is the introduction of the German Order, Reinhard Heydrich was awarded the Blood Order, only to have it upgraded to the German Order. From then on the NSDAP 25 Year cros was given to those who had given their lives for the Movement.Comment
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Yes - you are more anxious than I ! Since I have not even unpacked it, here are Helmut's pictures.Originally posted by ErichS View PostLast edited by der-hase-fee; 05-23-2011, 11:14 AM.Comment
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Congrats on a rare 1st type CB Andreas and welcome to the club!
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What a fine amount of information on the BO's history! Erich, thanks for your comment on a posthumous version of the award presented to the families; I wonder if anyone has one or has seen this award? Thanks to Gaston for the tip about the '44 edition of "Ich Kämpfe;" I have that book here somewhere and will try and find it. And Smithee's input on the introduction of the German Order and the NSDAP 25 Year Cross to the succession of the BO awards is most helpful. What a reservoir of information we have at our fingertips!
And as for your latest acquisition, Andreas: as I have said countless times before, your new Coburg Badge is in the wrong collection! I'm green with envy!
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I have seen a small version of the BO with a lesser known Martyrs name and date of death engraved on the reverse. I think his name was Weber? Maybe this mini was given to the families of the fallen?Originally posted by Br. James View PostComment
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Originally posted by ErichS View Post
Correct Erich. And its owned by a WAF member so maybe he will stop by and post up some pics,
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I hope that he does post it. I personally think it's the real deal and was possibly given to the families. I also think Bob Hritz posted one a few years ago as well and people thought that was a fake.Originally posted by Jon Fish View Post
It's intersting how the CB & BO threads have kinda intersected here.
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The information as stated by Br. James, is of the greatest value. Erichs, again we have to give a great thanks. So now where are the silver CB Badges? Can we see them? But what were they for? How did they fit into the award system? Many questions, but few answers. Angolia say's nothing, Littlejohn only shows the award with no explanation.
Also for provinance, were are the two badges.Comment
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