Originally posted by Rob Johnson
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Rob, I tried to get ahold of Fish on this one but I do not think his number is anygood anymore.Iam Uncle Sam
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Uncased, without a ribbon, even in the 2000 number range, I'd say $2000 max. The fact that it is missing the ribbon will really put a lot of people off, as ribbons are next to impossible to find. Also, while they are all important pieces of NSDAP history, I'd say the 1st patterns are much more desirable and significant...Originally posted by münster View Post
Just curious, but do you know if it's attributable? If yes, then that will definitely increase the 'value' as most 2nd patterns are un-attributable (for now, anyway
) but $5000 for a loose and $10000 for a cased 2nd pattern seem very high.
Dion - I'll send you his new email address. He's been laying real low, but he's still lurking aroundOriginally posted by münster View Post
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Thanks Rob, will locate the fish.Originally posted by Rob Johnson View PostUncased, without a ribbon, even in the 2000 number range, I'd say $2000 max. The fact that it is missing the ribbon will really put a lot of people off, as ribbons are next to impossible to find. Also, while they are significant I'd say the 1st patterns are much more desirable...
Just curious, but do you know if it's attributable? If yes, then that will definitely increase the 'value' as most 2nd patterns are un-attributable (for now, anyway ) but $5000 for a loose and $10000 for a cased 2nd pattern seem very high.
Dion - I'll send you his new email address. He's been laying real low, but he's still lurking around
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Prices for the cased 2nd patterns have really sky rocketed as of late. The loose ones can be had at the lower prices but are not cheap. Political items in general seem to be going up fast for nice examples. The BO is still pretty cheap compared to the RK when you consider rarity! JMO. ErichComment
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The other point I want to make is that it's getting very hard to find a nice cased example in either the 1st or 2nd pattern.Comment
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This is the only one that has ever came to me,,these things are VERY hard to find. Thats why Im going for it.Originally posted by ErichS View PostIam Uncle Sam
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Good move!Comment
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I hope so lolOriginally posted by ErichS View PostIam Uncle Sam
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Looking forward to seeing pics once you have it
Good luck!
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Here's a cased 2nd pattern currently going for £4250............that's about $8500 USD.
http://www.theoldbrigade.co.uk/shop/shop.phpComment
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That is a nice one Robin. Most dealers do not have any available single pieces let alone cased examples. Originals are really hard to find! IMO.Comment
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Wow... $8500! However, the weak dollar and unfavorable exchange rate do make it more expensive in US dollars these days. I doubt this one will be coming to the statesOriginally posted by ErichS View Post
Yes, it is a very nice example of a second pattern and one I wouldn’t mind owning. Still, I find it hard to comprehend that someone would be willing to pay the prices that Erich estimated. I've been offered a few second patterns over the last 12 or so months - cased and uncased - between $3200 and $6000, all of which I passed on, mainly because they were un-attributed and, well... second patterns. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate 2nd patterns and I’m not knocking them in any way, but to me they lack the significance and importance associated with the first patterns; what the order was originally created to honor and represent - what makes first patterns so unique, intriguing, desirable and 'valuable.'
Second patterns also turn up more frequently; I think I see 6 or 8 cased second patterns for every one cased first pattern. IMHO $8.5K seems like a lot for a second pattern... I'd much rather put that money towards a cased first pattern. They're out there
Thanks for the link, Robin. Dion – Goold luck with that 2nd pattern -I hope you are able to get it!
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Ill post pics it when its in, thanks for the link Robin!
Hopefully when I get the full number I can see if it is attributable.
It is interesting such a low number of these were made and that they do not go for more.
I see this often with Imperial medals, I seen one where only 400 were ever made, solid godl piece cased, A mecklenburg awards. The market value is 1500e, only 400 made , solid gold and priced like that, unbelievble.Iam Uncle Sam
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I dont think i was that far off with my price if you take into account the ex. rate for the dollar,looking at Robins eg. in theprevious thread ,mine as doubled in price in three years.Comment
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Originally posted by mike smith View Post
It ha been confusing Mike
It is hard to determine a value for these with so many factors, unlike RKs.
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