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    #1

    please help on gorgets

    Hello, this is really not my area, so, please, would like to ask for help of more competent collectors here!
    Which is the difference between these two patterns? Please note Swaz shape!
    Many thanks!
    Daniele
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    Originally posted by Daniele Tirelli View Post
    Hello, this is really not my area, so, please, would like to ask for help of more competent collectors here!
    Which is the difference between these two patterns? Please note Swaz shape!
    Many thanks!
    Daniele
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      #3
      Aren't both NSKK?

      Originally posted by Daniele Tirelli View Post
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        #4
        Both are early SA/SS Gorgets. The Sunwheel Swaz. may be the earlier one.

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          #5
          IMO the first one is NSKK the second one SA/SS gorget.
          Luca
          Siam fatti cosi!

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            #6
            Thanks very much for your help Erich, then I was wrong in believing them to be NSKK. I also desume this is not the proper forum, and I'll turn the question on SS forum to know more. Thanks so much,
            Daniele


            Originally posted by ErichS View Post
            Both are early SA/SS Gorgets. The Sunwheel Swaz. may be the earlier one.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Luca Ongaro View Post
              IMO the first one is NSKK the second one SA/SS gorget.
              Luca
              As Erich told both are SA/SS gorget, sorry for mistake.
              Luca
              Siam fatti cosi!

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                #8
                Thanks Luca!

                Originally posted by Luca Ongaro View Post
                As Erich told both are SA/SS gorget, sorry for mistake.
                Luca

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                  #9
                  It's correct that both are SA/SS, but I don't recall having seen an original with the non-sunwheel swastika. Maybe I never noticed, but every photo I have and every example I've had featured the sunwheel.
                  Erich
                  Festina lente!

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                    #10
                    I Have Examples Of Both The Standard And Curved Arm Style Swastikas In My Collection. I Believe Both To Be Period With The Curved Arm Form Earlier As Previously Stated.

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                      #11
                      Thank you very much! So, this means they were in use both with SS and SA early units? Did SS kept them after SA disappeared? Which years more or less? Only prewar?
                      Thanks a lot in advance for these further hep!
                      Daniele


                      Originally posted by Bob Coleman View Post
                      I Have Examples Of Both The Standard And Curved Arm Style Swastikas In My Collection. I Believe Both To Be Period With The Curved Arm Form Earlier As Previously Stated.

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                        Originally posted by Daniele Tirelli View Post
                        Did SS kept them after SA disappeared? Which years more or less? Only prewar?

                        Daniele
                        DANIELE-
                        WHO TOLD YOU THE S A DISAPPEARED? THE ORGANIZATION WAS IN EXISTANCE UNTIL THE FALL OF THE 3RD REICH. THE S S DESIGNED THEIR OWN PATTERN GORGET FOLLOWING THEIR EMERGENCE OVER THE S A.

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                          #13
                          Ok, ... touchè!
                          Thanks for these further info and help, Bob!
                          Daniele


                          Originally posted by Bob Coleman View Post
                          DANIELE-
                          WHO TOLD YOU THE S A DISAPPEARED? THE ORGANIZATION WAS IN EXISTANCE UNTIL THE FALL OF THE 3RD REICH. THE S S DESIGNED THEIR OWN PATTERN GORGET FOLLOWING THEIR EMERGENCE OVER THE S A.

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                            Yes, the role of the SA in wartime became the primary trainer of men in combat arms, easing the burdon on an overtaxed Wehrmacht instructor cadre...

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