please help on gorgets

[Daniele Tirelli]

Hello, this is really not my area, so, please, would like to ask for help of more competent collectors here!
Which is the difference between these two patterns? Please note Swaz shape!
Many thanks!
Daniele

[Daniele Tirelli]

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Hello, this is really not my area, so, please, would like to ask for help of more competent collectors here!
Which is the difference between these two patterns? Please note Swaz shape!
Many thanks!
Daniele

[Daniele Tirelli]

Aren't both NSKK?

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[ErichS]

Both are early SA/SS Gorgets. The Sunwheel Swaz. may be the earlier one.

[Luca Ongaro]

IMO the first one is NSKK the second one SA/SS gorget.
Luca

[Daniele Tirelli]

Thanks very much for your help Erich, then I was wrong in believing them to be NSKK. I also desume this is not the proper forum, and I'll turn the question on SS forum to know more. Thanks so much,
Daniele

Both are early SA/SS Gorgets. The Sunwheel Swaz. may be the earlier one.

[Luca Ongaro]

IMO the first one is NSKK the second one SA/SS gorget.
Luca

As Erich told both are SA/SS gorget, sorry for mistake.
Luca

[Daniele Tirelli]

Thanks Luca!

As Erich told both are SA/SS gorget, sorry for mistake.
Luca

[Erich B.]

It's correct that both are SA/SS, but I don't recall having seen an original with the non-sunwheel swastika. Maybe I never noticed, but every photo I have and every example I've had featured the sunwheel.
Erich

[Bob Coleman]

I Have Examples Of Both The Standard And Curved Arm Style Swastikas In My Collection. I Believe Both To Be Period With The Curved Arm Form Earlier As Previously Stated.

[Daniele Tirelli]

Thank you very much! So, this means they were in use both with SS and SA early units? Did SS kept them after SA disappeared? Which years more or less? Only prewar?
Thanks a lot in advance for these further hep!
Daniele

I Have Examples Of Both The Standard And Curved Arm Style Swastikas In My Collection. I Believe Both To Be Period With The Curved Arm Form Earlier As Previously Stated.

[Bob Coleman]

Did SS kept them after SA disappeared? Which years more or less? Only prewar?

Daniele

DANIELE-
WHO TOLD YOU THE S A DISAPPEARED? THE ORGANIZATION WAS IN EXISTANCE UNTIL THE FALL OF THE 3RD REICH. THE S S DESIGNED THEIR OWN PATTERN GORGET FOLLOWING THEIR EMERGENCE OVER THE S A.

[Daniele Tirelli]

Ok, ... touchè!
Thanks for these further info and help, Bob!
Daniele

DANIELE-
WHO TOLD YOU THE S A DISAPPEARED? THE ORGANIZATION WAS IN EXISTANCE UNTIL THE FALL OF THE 3RD REICH. THE S S DESIGNED THEIR OWN PATTERN GORGET FOLLOWING THEIR EMERGENCE OVER THE S A.

[Doug Kenwright]

Yes, the role of the SA in wartime became the primary trainer of men in combat arms, easing the burdon on an overtaxed Wehrmacht instructor cadre...