This is not and was never Sprengers tunic.
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Actually 77 this thread started ten years ago.still no one answered about the illustration in the book of the white pl tunic with Africa title..Someone may have seen the illustration and added it to this tunic! It's in German Uniforms of the third Reich. Small book by Leigh and turner all color illustrated uniforms..Originally posted by Gaspare View Postmy God people make it like 30 years ago was wartime!
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It was 1987!!! Thats nothing my friends nothing!Comment
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I am surprised at the relatively few comments on the ribbon bar, which to me is the elephant in the room. While I can not speak to the insignia or the uniform itself, the ribbon bar itself does not make ANY sense and IMO is a reproduction/put together item. With all respect to Bob and his immense knowledge on TR collectibles the combination of ribbons on this bar is impossible, IMO.
True there were individuals who had very large ribbon bars and chose to wear them in 2 rows. We have contemporary pictures to prove this, but there are just so many things wrong with this bar there is no way to justify the awards on it.
Just a few things:
1) As mentioned by Jeff in a previous post, his Bvn Military Merit Cross with Swords, pictured in the 1930s portrait is not included on this double rowed ribbon bar - why would he drop wearing this award? Bavarians were very proud of their service in WWI.
2) NSDAP awards in incorrect order. 15 year (Blue) should be first followed by 10 year (Brown)
3) An Army/Navy 4 year long service award makes absolutely no sense. Did he serve in the Armed forces in WWII?
4) The ribbon bar has BOTH the Order of Military Merit for Combatants (Spain - red/white/red ribbon) AND the Order of Military Merit for Non Combatants (Spain - white/red/white) Makes no sense. He has more Spanish awards than members who served in the Legion Condor.....
5) Romanian Awards on the top row last 2: Medal for Steadfast and Loyalty and one more, on the 2nd row: Faithful Service Medal, Romanian Order of the Crown Knights Class, Crusade Against Communism and what might be the Cross of Danube (hard to tell with picture) Again he has more Romanian awards than a soldier fighting with the Romanian's or a diplomat...(so what could be a possible 6 Romanian awards)
6) 4th award on top row appears to be Silesian Medal 2nd Class
And I have not even started to discuss 3 of the other ribbons on the top row which appear to be a mix of Imperial & foreign or the fact he has a DAK medal, Russian Front, Czech Occ and Aust Annex ribbon.
Gary BANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348Comment
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To solve that miracle - maybe someone here has contact to Mr. Michael D. Miller who wrote the book "The Regional Leaders of the Nazi Party and their Deputies, 1925-1945". The second volume, which will be released in September this year, should contain the Sprenger chapter and will most probably show which awards were given to him. Maybe Mr. Miller could help us with our problem prior to the release of his second volume.
Best, ThomasComment
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Isn't the book already out, since a few days?
NicolasComment
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I have that book, but the person in question does not have the rank of a "Gauleiter". It looks like he is a "Hauptbereichsleiter" or "Hauptdienstleiter"Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostComment
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You're completely right! The ribbon bar is complete nonsense..........Originally posted by Gary B View Post
PS: Do you know of any Ribbon Bars of Gauleiters that still exist?Comment
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The second volume of the Gauleiter book is not out yet. After a few years delay as far as I know it will finally be reased in September this year. But I hope someone stays in contact to the author Miller and may ask him.Comment
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Ah o.k. So its only in Germany that late. So does anybody here have this book already and could look?Comment
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This thread is another sad reminder of buy the item not the story. "Exceptional provenance" we heard.Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.Comment
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is the gold party badge numbered?Comment
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Originally posted by Jeff V View Post
To me word of mouth or sold by someone from the family isn't quite cutting it anymore as solid provenance. Look at all the crap sold by Grimminger and Anny Winter with their letters of attestation as provenance. Had it meant a couple thousand more Deutsche Marks, I'm sure Anny would have provided a letter stating she pulled the object out of Adolf's underwear drawer.
What is quite a wake up call is what has been in old collections, thought to have been rare items and which now are falling apart under closer examination. This tunic went from a rare, named Gauleiter tunic, to a rare, unnamed white summer Gauleiter tunic, to a put together frankentunic with a bad ribbon bar and questionably applied insignia. Though some of the insignia may be quite rare (I'd love to have Jeff Clark weigh in on the collar tabs), it no longer is the sum of all its parts.
Richard VLast edited by Richard; 03-22-2017, 06:40 AM.Comment
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I am sure there are attributed medal bars and ribbon bars to Gauleiters and other high ranking political figures of the TR era.Originally posted by Priedel78 View Post
Attached is the medal bar attributed to Wilhelm Friedrich Loeper of Gau Magdeburg-Anhalt. (this piece was shown in another thread of the WAF). The bar matches period portraits of Loeper when wearing a medal bar.
I did a quick Google search on Gauleiter portraits. Most of the images showed men who had a single row of ribbons with about 5-6 award, mostly from their WWI service. Those that had WWII ribbons typically had NSDAP awards, Faithful Service Crosses and Olympic decorations.
Gary BLast edited by Gary B; 03-22-2017, 09:43 AM.ANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348Comment
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Thanks for the pic Gary!
Maybe someone has an unknown imperial ribbon bar in his collection and doesn't know the real owner
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