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    TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.0 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLES

    TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.0 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE

    The TeNo Armscheibe Type 4.1 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE configuration, is that of the familiar Police Sleeve Eagle ‘shape’ – but with a BLACK machine embroidered Eagle, used for TeNo-Police EM/NCO’s. (Information regarding the TeNo-Police Officer Eagle, is to follow.)

    The Introduction of the Type 4.1 – TeNo-POLICE EAGLE is the study of delays, postponements, supply problems & SS political intrigue! The Type 4.1 was a part of Himmler’s ‘formal’ (i.e. Uniform Wearing) incorporation of the TeNo - into the Polizei / SS umbrella (with the Uniform & Insignia changes published September 29, 1942.) But, there were delays & postponements - & another ‘official’ announcement was made May 18, 1943, with an implementation date of June 1, 1943. However, even this important information was Not even published in the TeNo Magazine, “Die Räder” until December, 1943!

    These ‘changes’ were to be implemented 1st for those TeNo units serving outside of the Reich - & then gradually implemented to the then current Dunkelblau uniformed TeNo. Even with all of the past prior delays – there were future delays as well. The Dunkelblau uniformed TeNo, inside of the Reich, had Not received the ‘new’ Police Green uniforms & had Not changed to the 29.9.1942 Ranks (including the wear of the Type 4.1 TeNo-POLICE EAGLE), by the end of the war.

    The Type 4.1 TeNo-Police (EM / NCO) Armscheibe (EAGLE) has the following Characteristics:
    • The base material is of Police GREEN Wool, in an Oval shape backing.
    • A BLACK “Police Type” Eagle is machine embroidered on the Oval.
    • The Eagle’s head faces towards it’s Right Wing.
    • To be worn Only on the TeNo-Police Green Uniform.
    • There is NO TeNo Identification, of Any type, found on this Patch itself – other than the Unique BLACK Color Combination.

    [Recognition of TeNo Membership was designated in the form of a Diamond Shaped Black Raute (Tradition Badge), which incorporated the classic “Cog with TN” emblem, machine embroidered in White Thread – & worn on the Left lower Sleeve.]

    The Type 4.1 TeNo-Police (OFFICER) Armscheibe (EAGLE) has the following Characteristics:
    • 'Standard' Police Officer's Sleeve Eagle - in Bullion.
    • Either on Oval Backing or as a 'Cut-Out' Eagle.
    • Backing color is Police Green

    ATTACHMENTS - Here on WAF, we've seen examples Posted of the Rare Black TeNo-Police EM/NCO Eagle & LOTS of super Police Officer's Sleeve Eagles...

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      SUMMARY-TeNo Armscheiben-Types 1 - 4 • POST OTHERS

      SUMMARY-TeNo Armscheiben-Types 1.0 - 4.0 • POST OTHERS ! ! !

      SEARCH your Collections for other TN Eagle Variants. In the prior Posts, I have attempted to share with you essentially ‘ALL’ of the information that I am currently aware of, concerning these 4 Types of TeNo Armscheiben (& their SubTypes).

      Hopefully, these Postings have shown the Common, as well as some of the seldom seen or ‘previously unknown’ TeNo Armscheiben. In doing so – hopefully, these TeNo LEFT Shoulder Patches will now be much ‘Less of a Mystery’ & much more ‘Understandable’ to Collectors. TR Collecting is a continuous learning process & I look forward to seeing other Examples!

      • PLEASE Post Other Examples & Variations of the various TeNo Armscheiben from your Collections (or from the NET) - for discussion & for learning from them.

      • PLEASE Point Out & Correct Any “Errors / Misstatements” which I have made in my Postings! The intended goal is to present Only Accurate Information & to Learn more about the TN • TeNo. …Txs, Dave/dblmed

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        TeNo-Police Uniform (1943-1945) - Soldbuch Foto

        TeNo-Police Uniform (1943-1945) - Soldbuch Foto

        ATTACHED is a very special TN Soldbuch, which was recently acquired, issued in 1944.
        The TN-mann (a WWI Vet) entered the TN on July 17, 1944 in Landesgruppe VIII, Schlesisen.
        His Soldbuch foto shows him wearing the 'proper Post-June 1, 1943 ' TeNo-Police' Uniform
        (with the 'SS-Like' matching Collar Tabs & the TN current Shoulder Boards)

        It's hard for you to see here, but I can discern a 'Color' Difference between the Black
        Collar Tabs & the 'inner' Cording of his Shoulder Boards. (Should be a mid-dark
        'Police' Brown color.) PLUS, the Foto shows a very NICE shot of his M-43 (?) cap, with the
        proper cloth Police Eagle, which was worn by the TeNo-Police, of this time period. It
        would be "Super" IF we knew the colors of the Ribbon Cloth in his 2nd Button Hole!
        (That would tell us even more about him!)

        (I 'pasted' Soldbuch page 2, onto the Foto page, so that the date could be seen.)

        His last Soldbuch entry is for May 4. 1945 at "Fest.-Laz. IV B Breslau." (Which I
        believe stands for the Hospital in Festung (Fortress City) Breslau.)

        This is a nice example which, by Soldbuch entries & Foto - 'shows' that the TeNo-Police
        Uniform was both Issued & was Worn, inside of the 'collapsing' Reich.

        My 'belief' (unconfirmed) - it that this man possessed a special Technical Skill, which was in
        demand & he was thus "Drafted" by the TeNo. (His age would eliminate him as being a simple
        Arbeiter, even at this date, IMO.) It is also logical to "assume" that he was probably a long-term
        TeNo member & was not someone who was chosen at random ... Txs, Dave/dblmed
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          Love it Dave. Great piece and very rare!

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            Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-1

            (Posted for joetauchretter) - -
            Erich Hampe, Stellvertretender Chef der Technische Nothilfe


            While looking through my collection of Draeger-Hefte magazines I came across this picture of a TeNo man in uniform , I hope you like it ! The man's name is Erich Hampe and there is a half page story that goes with this picture . Due to the size limitations of this web site you cannot read it very well when I shrink it down to allowed size .

            Best Regards , Joe
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              Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-2

              Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-2

              Thanks JOE (!) This is absolutely a Wonderful foto of Erich Hampe, from your collection of the Draeger-Helfte!

              Hampe was among the 'original' core of men who formed the original TeNo • TN, in 1919 (along with the founder, Otto Lumitzsch.) Hampe was the founder of, and editor, of "DIE RÄDER" – the 2 x / month Zeitschrift (Magazine) of the TeNo.

              Erich Hampe was a singularly important member of the Technische Nothilfe leadership! He was the long-term #2 man in the TN (Stellvertretender Chef der TN), serving under Lummitzsch, until mid 1934 (when Lummitzsch was forced to resign, because of the NSDAP 'racial laws' - as his wife was ½ Jewish), and then Hampe served under Hans Weinreich (SS Gruppenführer & Chef der TN), until May, 20 1941.

              Hampe's connection with Draeger (a Gas Mask & Rescue Equipment Maker), may have come from Hampe's well received early book "Der Mensch und die Gase, Einführung in die Gaskunde und Anleitung zum Gasschutz," (Humans / Men and the gases, introduction to the gas client and guidance to the gas protection) (i.e. dangers of a Gas War!) – published in 1932 & distributed to all TeNo units. (The SHD and the later Luftschutz / Luftschutz Polizei, would also use Hampe's booklet as a reference.)

              What is quite exceptional about Joe's foto of Erich Hampe, is that the foto was taken of Hampe wearing the TN Uniform of the pre-Dec 1, 1936 TeNo ranking changes! The 1936 change resulted in the wearing of two (2) shoulder boards, of a different construction, than the prior one (1) shoulder board! [Page 439 of "Police, Vol. 2" shows a foto of Hampe wearing the 2 shoulder boards.] Even though the Draeger article was published in 1940, the foto which they used was of the pre-1936 TN Uniform ranking changes. Nice!

              Also, Joe's foto gives us a really good view of the Collar Patches / Collar Tabs, which were worn by only 2 TN Officers – Chef und Stellv. Chef der TN! These are some quite ultra-rare insignia, with Gold color COG & details (even including the piping) & having 12 laurel leaf designs. (One can not help but wonder where ANY of these very few examples might be today?) …Txs JOE! …Dave/dblmed

              ATTACHMENT:
              TN-Rank-Tab for Chef und Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe - Pre Dec 1, 1936
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                Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-3

                Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-3

                Erich Hampe was known as an innovative thinker throughout his career. He is credited with developing the concept of the TeNo 'mobile response' units – Bereischaftdienst Mot., using specially designed vehicles for the purpose.

                It has been reported that Hampe led the TN Einsatzgruppen in the Western campaigns of 1940 (& believe this to be correct, although I don't have the documented 'proof' of it – Yet!) The extreme value of the wide ranges of technical services performed by the TN Einsatzgruppen / Einsatztruppen was recognized by the OKH, as the TN units freed up duties normally performed by the Army Pioneers. The OKH set about incorporating whole TN Einsatzgruppen into Heer units, in mid 1941, & named as the Technischen Truppen. (Additionally, a number of TN Units were taken into the Polizei at about the same time & performed similar purposes. The LUFT had previously taken in a number of TN men, for technical services, and they would expand this use of TN units, after Barbarossa.)

                The TeNo-to-HEER transition was recognized by a special TN patch, authorization in Jan, 1942, for wear by former TN Members, & to be worn on the right shoulder of the Heer uniform. (No special designation for the TeNo-to-LUFT transition has been identified.) [see "Pol., Vol. 2" page 578 for the TeNo-to-HEER patch.]

                Based upon the above, it is not surprising at all - that the HEER chose Erich Hampe to lead the TeNo-in-HEER units, as the General Die Technischen Truppen, a post which he held until the end of the war. Little is still known about all of the uses & actions of the Technischen Truppen, except that they were almost 'everywhere' that the Heer was found – including even inside of the Reich, & including work in Dresden in February, 1945.

                After WWII, the now retired General Erich Hampe wrote the book, "Die unbekannte Armee : d. Techn. Truppen im 2. Weltkrieg" (The "Unknown Army:" The Technical Troops in WWII.) … Dave/dblmed
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                  Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-4

                  Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-4

                  Erich Hampe's long service career did not end with WWII. He was not allowed to remain in a quiet retirement for very long.

                  He was designated by the new W. German Bundesrepublik, to become the first President of the Federal Agency for Civilian Air Defense (Präsidenten d. Bundesanst. für Zivilen Luftschutz), during the early part of the Cold War years. Hampe brought forward the hard lessons which had been learned in WWII, into the new era for W. Germany's preparedness.

                  For his outstanding post war services, Erich Hampe was awarded the Grand Cross (grossen Verienstkreuzes) of the Bundesrepublik by Bundesminister Dr. Schroeder, one of the highest honors. Erich Hampe passed away in 1978. … Dave/dblmed

                  Attachment: Hampe's GRAND Cross + Dr. Schroeder - Foto
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                    Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-5

                    Erich Hampe, Stellv. Chef der Technische Nothilfe-5

                    (Posted for joetauchretter)

                    More about Erich Hampe . This is a magazine called DIE WOCHE , hefte 11 , March 14 1931 . You got to love the German Luftschutz graphic art works !

                    There was a GREAT Fear of the use of GAS, in any future wars!

                    Best Regards , Joe
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                      TeNo Preparedness...

                      Thanks JOE (!) ... More Great Info!

                      Your collection of Luftschutz related magazines is simply Amazing! The cover of DIE WOCHE , hefte 11 , March 14 1931, certainly graphically points out the fears that the German population had, of potential dangers of future 'Gas Warfare' .

                      (& we need to remember that this was in 1931, when Erich Hampe was stressing future preparedness, via the TeNo - The TN was the primary Organization, which taught about & used Gas Masks - & functioned in a combination Civil Defense & a Paramedic role. The TeNo was trained & equipped to respond to any type of Katastrophe / Catastrophe.)

                      Below are 2 Postcards by the Artist, Dobrich-Steglitz, who did many series for the TeNo & which were published by the TeNo HQ in Berlin. These PC's picture the TN Bereitschaftdienst men, responding to Emergencies (& wearing Gas Masks.)

                      The upper left PC is 'probably' pre-1936, but I am unable to reliably date it. The lower PC is 'pre-1936' - as the TN Men & TN Officer, are wearing the TN 'Sleeve Diamond' - which was changed to the familiar TN Eagle Triangle patch, as a result of the 1936 ranking & insignia changes. (However, TN men continued this type of work / responding - until the end of WWII.)

                      JOE, as a knowledgeable Luftschutz / Draeger collector, you may be able to tell us more about the Types of Gas Masks used by the TeNo men, in each of the 2 Postcards? ... Best, Dave/dblmed
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                        TeNo using Gas Masks

                        (Posted for joetauchretter)

                        Very nice post cards ! The rebreather device worn on the men in the post card are Deaga/Auer - Audos MR1 . The Audos MR1 looks very similar to the Draeger made Heeresatmer device .

                        The post card is a painting and not a photograph so the gas mask looks more like a general shape and design gasmask . In my opinion the gas mask looks like the gasmaske 200 or gasmaske 747 , both were widely used during the time frame of this post card . Best Regards , Joe

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                          TeNo Training at the TN Reichsschule - Belzig - 1937

                          Training Exercises at the TN Reichsschule - Belzig - 1937

                          Thanks JOE !

                          From Joe's collection of DRAEGER-Helft, (Sept. - Oct. 1937) Joe found these nice fotos of TN men, in training.

                          * They are doing hard work (Marching!) while wearing the Gas Masks (in the Upper Foto) - &
                          * Marching While wearing Draeger Rebreathing "Back Pack' Units (in the Lower Left Foto.)

                          Lower Right Foto - is of ERICH HAMPE, Stellv. Chef der TN, reviewing the training exercises at the TN Reichsschule - Belzig. He is pictured with Major des Generalstabs im RLM Polcher, and TN Landesführer z. V. Siebert.

                          Great Fotos & Information! Thanks JOE! ... Dave/dblmed
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                            The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit-1

                            The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit - # 1

                            Just like the Units being worn by the TN men, in the above foto(!)

                            Posted for Mike / Chefs....

                            "....I’ve had one of the Heeresatmer backpack units for years …always thought they were an interesting example of 40’s technology but for some reason they were always overlooked by most Collectors. I was told that my example came from Norway where most of them were kept in service until the 1960’s. …I never found out if that story was true but , I’m glad I found it. I heard one sold for $2k last year so, maybe that old saying is true ---What’s overlooked yesterday is harder to find today.
                            Thought you’d enjoy seeing some shots of it in the case...."
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                              The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit-2

                              The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit - # 2

                              Posted for Mike / Chefs....
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                                The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit-3

                                The "Real Deal" a Heeresatmer Backpack Rebreather Unit - # 3

                                Posted for Mike / Chefs....
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