Stauffenberg Envelope?

[kahle33]

Apparently this is a letter mailed to Stauffenberg's "brother" . The problem is, Stauffenberg doesn't have a brother named Friedrich, at least not that I can see. Also seems like no one in the family was named "Friedrich" since at least the 1800's. I asked the seller and he maintains it is Stauffenberg's brother.

Is this a forgery or is it just someone else in the family named Stauffenberg?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Entire-sent-...item5afe27bb59

[Gerdan]

I found this Friedrich. It could be him.

Friedrich (*19. Mai 1908 in Rißtissen; † 25. März 1982 in München)

Gerdan

[Tom B]

As you know, anything on ebay should be approached with extreme caution. I'd do as much searching as possible ! Tom

[kahle33]

Yes, it could be him. I appreciate it. Thanks.

[Archi]

Hi kahle33 and all !

I found this a very interesting question and I think Gerdan has found exactly the right man !

In case you are really interested in this family matters, I'll add some links. I think the Wiki-link seems to be ok,
but the one from Badisches Landesarchiv should be really trustworthy.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauffe...sgeschlecht%29
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs2...p?bestand=2295

The important section in the second link is that above § 2 (Die Archive der Schenken von Stauffenberg im ... ) :
There it says, that the noble family Stauffenberg was split in two parts in the 19th century:
One line (the descendendants of Franz Schenk von Stauffenberg (1801-1881) ) received the title of Graf (count) ),
[this is the line Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg belonged to],
while the other line was that of the brother of Franz, Friedrich Schenk von Stauffenberg (1806-1874).
This line had the title "Freiherrn" (not "Graf") and the castle Wilflingen is today still owned by one of the "Freiherren" line :
http://www.langenenslingen.de/index.php?id=95

So, already judging by the title, the letter cannot be addressed to a brother of Claus, but is to a Friedrich from the other line.
And perhaps the Wiki link can give some further hints on the exact relationship.

Cheers,

Archi

[kahle33]

Archi, thanks so much for the great information! So it sounds like a somewhat distant relative of Claus. Interesting stuff.

[lohengrin]

Just to add, the letter was sent from a castle in Újezd Svatého Kříže. The structure was torn down by the Czechoslovakian government in 1978. It is very likely that the sender was a former owner of the castle - Heinrich Freiherr Kotz von Dobrz (died in 1956).

http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?detail=71477

The envelope and stamps are 100% original and genuine!!

Interesting side-story: The KC winner Willy Czorny was born in a house very near to this castle...

[crfraser]

Maybe the stamps are worth something

Colin

[lohengrin]

Maybe the stamps are worth something

Colin

About $0.50...

[kahle33]

Just to add, the letter was sent from a castle in Újezd Svatého Kříže. The structure was torn down by the Czechoslovakian government in 1978. It is very likely that the sender was a former owner of the castle - Heinrich Freiherr Kotz von Dobrz (died in 1956).

http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?detail=71477

The envelope and stamps are 100% original and genuine!!

Interesting side-story: The KC winner Willy Czorny was born in a house very near to this castle...

Nice! Thanks for the info! That's great.

[kahle33]

Maybe the stamps are worth something

Colin

Anything associated with Claus Stauffenberg is next to impossible to obtain.

Even his wife, Nina, who lived till 2006, there is NOTHING with her autograph.


Might have to settle for a distant relative.

[Weweslburg]

Friedrich Schenk von Stauffenberg

Friedrich Schenk von Stauffenberg is named on the German state archive Baden Wuerttemberg website. He died in Munich in 1982. He obviously was a brother of Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg and the offered envelope on Ebay is....authentic !

[kahle33]

Friedrich Schenk von Stauffenberg is named on the German state archive Baden Wuerttemberg website. He died in Munich in 1982. He obviously was a brother of Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg and the offered envelope on Ebay is....authentic !

Thanks! Appreciate it!