Waffen-SS: German Cross in Gold- Rare - Original ?

[frankandfrank]

Hello,
is this a original document or a fake? Its German Cross in Gold Document for Waffen-SS Officier "Wallonien" Lucien Lippert".!
Normal the name and division was handwritting? thanks.ralf

[TH0791]

Hello Ralf,

Usually the name , rank & date was written using red ink, otherwise it looks
ok

Best!
T

[Jens]

If this is original (?), this would cause almost havoc and panic scenes among especially our belgium friends. Price ...... The sky is the limit...


But where did you see it ?


Best Jens

[Ludwig]

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[Ludwig]

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IMO a fake.
Wouldn´t "Kdr. SS-Freiw. Brig. Wallonien" be enough? Instead of "Brig. Kdr. SS-Freiw..." I mean.

[-Michael]

From where did you get it?

Musn't there stand 'Kdr. der SS-Freiw. Sturm Brig. Wallonien'?

Greetings Michael

[Giel VW]

WOW, could you tell us from where you can purchase this? Pivate collection?

[frankandfrank]

hello,

i get this pic from a friend. This document was sold in a german auction.
For me was only the question if this a original one or not. i know a other ss german cross in gold document (which is original) where the name oder Divsion was handwritting , but on this document printed!! ralf

[TH0791]

IMO a fake.
Wouldn´t "Kdr. SS-Freiw. Brig. Wallonien" be enough? Instead of "Brig. Kdr. SS-Freiw..." I mean.

There is no problem with that. Must of DKiG documents I saw wrote the designation as above , i.e. "BTL.KDR" , "BTTR.CHEF" , "REG.KDR"

[Edward]

Hello FrankandFrank,

Thanks for sharing the DKG scan. Could you please tell me which German auction your friend purchased the DKG document from? Was it purchased recently? Also, and almost as important as the award document itself, does your friend have any further docmentation that came with the award? Unfortunately, and no disrespect to both you and your friend I ask these questions as some individuals have posted fake award documents of varying quality for what have appeared to be any number of questionable motives. I am not saying that this is the situation in this case, and if original then my congrats to your friend on owning such an impressive document.

As to the documents authenticity...at first glance and without refering to known examples it looked good. Imho, on further study and closer inspection when compared to known WXX examples the document does not follow period WXX DKG examples in it's unusal details which should raise questions as to originality.

Regards

[Simon O.]

Not my area but some thoughts.

AFAIK, Lippert was KIA on the 14th Feb.44 so is the this a posthumous award or was it already 'in the works'? does the award date on the doc match with Lippert's known record?

Should the details\date be the same colour as the printed part of the doc? i can imagine they would be if the details were sent to the printers who would make the completed doc rather than OKH filling in the doc.
Is there a provenance (history) to this doc?

[macom]

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hi frankandfrank,
this doc. is 100% original.
the first type of this documents from 18.10.41-20.12.41 whas not handwritten,
later in january-february 44 this documents come printed too, and not handwritten.
regards
macom

[frankandfrank]

hello macom,

August Gosch, SS-Oscha. 6.SS Reit Rgt 2. German Gross in Gold on 26. November 1943! In his document the name, division and other was handwritting!!! ralf

[Edward]

Hello Ralf,

Several contributors to include myself have kindly taken the time to reply to your initial post and to also ask questions regarding the DKiG doc. Althought you may not know the answers, to reply back is always a sign of mutual courtesy.

Regards

[DDD777]

The printed DKiG Big Documents was approximately from X'41 til the first middle of 1942. After the middle of 1942 till I'1944 they was handwritted...

We have a theory, that from II'44 - DKiG Big Documenst (BesitzUrkunde-BU) till end end of the war they was printed again!

BUT!!! Unfortunately we have only some verry bad examples of this enigmatic Documents :



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