Help With Unknown Signature

[MARKH]

Hi, was hoping some one may have seen this signature before and be able to identify it, many thanks,

[Simon O.]

Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger?

[Ian Jewison]

I think that is :

SS-Obergruppenf******252;hrer und General der Waffen-SS und der Polizei Hans Rauter. H******246;chste SS und Polizeif******252;hrer Nordwest. (German Higher SS and Police Leader in Holland)

/Ian

[MARKH]

Thanks for the input all, it certainly looks like it would read as Rauter , would anyone have their own verson of his signature for comparison, many thanks
Mark

[Simon O.]

I can see 'Rauter' there but what of the umlauts dash above the U?

Knowing what the signature is actually on might help

[MARKH]

Simon, I think that dash could be the crossing of the "t" that has been done quickly and has missed its target.

[Ian Jewison]

I do not see any umlauts in that signature, a dash above a "u" to indicate it as such!

It is not Kr******252;ger's signature...below is an example from Andre H******252;sken's web site.
Another indication would be, Kr******252;ger was SS Obergruppenf******252;hrer und General der Waffen SS, where the signature above is SS Obergruppenf******252;hrer und General der Waffen SS und Polizei....which Rauter was!

/Ian

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The first signature is Hanns Albin Rauter, H******246;here SS und Polizei F******252;hrer.
The second signature is Walter Kr******252;ger, not his brother Friedrich-Wilhelm Kr******252;ger.
Max.

[Simon O.]

That's Walter Krüger Ian, not Friedrich-Wilhelm who was indeed a General der Waffen-SS und Polizei. A dash can often be seen indicating umlauts in sigs but i suppose it could also be a disjointed cross of a t. It's certainly difficult to see a g there.

[max history]

Here's another Rauter.
Max.

[max history]

And here's Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger.
Max.

[max history]

That's Walter Kr******252;ger Ian, not Friedrich-Wilhelm who was indeed a General der Waffen-SS und Polizei. A dash can often be seen indicating umlauts in sigs but i suppose it could also be a disjointed cross of a t. It's certainly difficult to see a g there.

Simon,
That is not an umlaut. It is common in German signatures of this period for people to insert small dashes above their names where no umlaut exists in the lettering. A good example is in beerlover's post on Kesselring's driving license. See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=185792
Max.

[MARKH]

Many thanks to all for your help,and Max for the Rauter sig, the discussion and knowledge is greatly appreciated from all. Not having that knowledge and being able to get help through this forum is great,
Mark in Oz