Show Your Italian Ss Pics

[Tommaso]

Hallo Askold and alls!!
but Karstjager Division not was an Italian Division but poli- ethinc ( formed with german, italian, austrian, slovenian and spanish and other ethic personell) They never worn that printed shield, probably they never worn the specifical collar tab too (edelweiss).
German personell use Rune Tabs, the other only black tabs.
They use the normal SS sleeve eagle.
On the shields: yes i look some of this around the world but no one of this was in used condition unlucky!!

Lafitte is right, KJ never wore Italian Printed Shields, since it was a Germanic SS Division.

Luca, I must tell you that very few of that division had the Blank tab, since the most of them volunteers were from Friuli, Sudtirol and Slovenia, and as said they were treated many times as Volksdeutschen and let them wear the Runes (You can see that from the grade of many KJ soldier with italian or friulan/ladin name and surname: many times the grade was an SS one and not a Waffen one like for the most of non german SS volunteers).
Standing to my sources all the spanish KJ had Waffen grades.
I want also to answer about the supposed "edelweiss": first that was not an edelweiss but a Karstditel (Cardabella), the Karst's Cardo.
Second I would say that if that was really used the number of tabs worn would be very but very low (there are known no pictures depicting that tab).

Cheers
T

[Askold]

Hello Lafitte,

Few months ago there was a shield on sale and it was in worn condition. I also came along with the photo of the guy who had it, If I remember correctly it was a Flak unit composed of italians. Too bad I didn't save the photo

[Lafitte]

Yes Tom! exacly precisation! Your perfect kwonledge about 24******176;KJ SS Division is it great! The operations in Ozak zones for KJ was very hard, in fact the first BAK in gold was give to KJ personell in Tolmezzo where a regiment of the division was dislocate.

Ti plasares ve ches bielis robutis di chei triscs vere?

[Tommaso]

Yes Tom! exacly precisation! Your perfect kwonledge about 24******176;KJ SS Division is it great! The operations in Ozak zones for KJ was very hard, in fact the first BAK in gold was give to KJ personell in Tolmezzo where a regiment of the division was dislocate.

Ti plasares ve ches bielis robutis di chei triscs vere?

Lafitte,

Ah ah ah
I know well enough about the KJ but you know well enough about everything!!!!!

Sigur ca mi plasares, cuant ca si viodin o ai di mostrati doi robutis....
Mandi Canae!

Askold:
I remember the thread about that shield, as far as I know that wasn't ever used by KJ (and I have to tell you that I'm not sure that's a pre May 45 item either..)

Cheers
T

[Daniele C]

Scusate ma che dialetto ******232;???

[Tommaso]

Friuli settentrionale, compreso in un area tra i 10 e i 30km dal confine con l'austria.

Ciao
T.

[Askold]

Drapeau Noir:

Hi, why would you consider the shield post war? The construction and paint matches those other shields that are printed on grey cloth. The only difference I find is that its larger in size.

[Andrej]

Scusait ma a sintii fevelà par furlan no i'ai podut fa di manco di intrometimi...

si stavial tacant a tabaja di OZAK o sbaglio?

Great pics!, and the KJ discussion is very interesting

[Tommaso]

Drapeau Noir:

Hi, why would you consider the shield post war? The construction and paint matches those other shields that are printed on grey cloth. The only difference I find is that its larger in size.

Hi Askold,
may you please post any picture or any reference to that Shield?
In 20 years I couldn't find any picture of the shield worn or any kind of pre 45 document about that either.
The quality of that shield is not a proper "German" standard...
This is my opinion.
Anyway nothing like that was ever worn by KJ or 29a.

Andrej, o si tabae dal OZAK, par fuarce!

Mandi
Cheers
Tom

[FRANCY RITTER]

Hello !!
Intersting (and nice) pics , but nobody speak Emilia's dialect ???

[Askold]

Hi Askold,
may you please post any picture or any reference to that Shield?
In 20 years I couldn't find any picture of the shield worn or any kind of pre 45 document about that either.
The quality of that shield is not a proper "German" standard...
This is my opinion.
Anyway nothing like that was ever worn by KJ or 29a.

Hello Tom. Unfortunately I canno post photos on the forum yet, but its the type of printed ITALIA shield as shown in a article of "Arms and Militaria" magazine (there was an article on printed for. volunteer shields). As fas as the quality goes, the printed shields were of very low quality - often misprinted and with erros.

P.S. If you email me I can send you a photo of my shield.

[Matthias Fritz]

Italian SS

I am sorry that i cant post picturs on the topic, becourse i have some fine fotos of brave italian SS man who is kiling slovin partizan with an aks, while two other brawe italian SS man are holding his hands !

I must say that i am wery much in to colecting SS items, but i also know a lott off storys abouth "brawe " italian fasist ( camice nerre ) and italian SS trups and their crime towords slovinian civilians ( SLOVENIA is bordering ITALY and during the 2.WW Slovenia was ocupaid by Italians and Germans ) and slovin partizans !

I am shering this with others simply becourse we also nead to know some history facts abouth this guys, who somethimes make even german SS members discust !

[Tommaso]

Dear Matthias,
I suggest you to carefully choose your words If you know almost nothing about these facts.
The event you talking about toke place in Carnizza D'Idra, now Slovenia, at the time Deutshes Reich/OZAK: the guys depicted in the picture were from 24 SS-Div. Karstjager, and just one of them was Italian, the guy with the axe,: as far as I know the name was SS-Sturmmann Francesco Macotto from Palmanova (OZAK).
The others were all Germans as far as we can say with honest knowledge.
The execution was a LEGAL reprisal (See Aja and Geneva Convention, 1904) to a gruesome mass murder of 14 Karstjager beheaded by your friends Tito's partisans in the woodlands of Komen(Rifermbergo): the 14 heads of these guys were found in march 44 pierced with bayonets and thrusted in the earth.
This gory mass execution followed another gruesome Tito's partisans illegal war act: some Karstjager and Italian's MDT were burnt alive in a truck close to the border between Slovenia and OZAK.

Since the Slovenian Partisans killed several innocent people (civilian) in OZAK and Slovenia during and after the war, since I can start to talk about some not really "nice" things like Bleiburg Ustasha massgraves or italian/slovenian civilian massgraves (we PERSONALLY have found childrend in there, remember that next time you open your mouth!) I would suggest you again to choose carefully your words when you talk about historical events that you clearly show to know not.
Since this is a military forum and not a political one I will let this thread go and I dont want to start to talk about these things.
But remember: if you do not like SS nobody force you to collect their stuff.
If you hate the SS so much I dont understand why do you have to collect about them..

[Dennis S]

I thought I would add a couple more photos posted on another thread on the Italiane SS Legione due to this being a study of photo's.

Notice the Lorioli skulls (I presume, compare they are slightly larger than the German Officer in the foreground) on the Italian Hats . Also a mixture of field caps Italian and German style

[Dennis S]

Red tabs , boards and eagle