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    what SS units were in Ukraine in August 1941?

    Dear esteemed Battle and Individual Research aficionados:
    I have been long researching this variant "MK box" for years, and lately the grave society in Germany updated their records and the name and date of death on box match. However, I am now trying to find out where he died and and what W-SS formation he was in.

    Nachname: Rieckmann
    Vorname: Otto Hermann Friedrich
    Dienstgrad: Kanonier
    Geburtsdatum: 09.07.1920
    Geburtsort: Borstel
    Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 03.09.1941
    Todes-/Vermisstenort: Kachowka

    As place of death is Kachowka I believe that is modern Kakhovka in Ukraine.
    If so then those W-SS near Kakhovka in August 1941 were these 3 below

    SS Panzer div Das Reich: offensive towards Smolensk

    SS Panzer div Totenkopf :in Baltic states

    5th SS Panzer Div Wiking: jun-Dec in Galicia & Ukraine

    Does anyone know more or can correct me in any mistakes?

    I have researching this Gefallen Man for a long time.
    Thank you,
    Michael
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    SS Units in Ukraine.

    Hello Michael ; well besides the SS Units you've mentioned before it was fighting there the 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot). It was composed of the SS IR 8 and SS IR 10.

    29.08.1941.

    Carrying out raking tasks, the 1. SS-Brig reached the line Owrutsch-Norinsk-Weleniki-Listwin-Kuliki-Rudnia Czerwonka.

    01.09.1941.01.09.1941.

    The 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot) was detached from 6 AOK and reached (after several days of marching) the Dnjepr by Nikopol. Nearby was deployed the SS LAH (you did not mention it). The bulk of LAH got across the Dnjepr on Sep 11 1941 by Kachowka.

    03.09.1941.

    The 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot) together with the Sich Div 454, 444 y 213 plus a security Slovakian unit were subordinated to Befh.d.Rückw.H.Gebiet Süd (Commander of the Rear area Army Group South).

    Sources: Del caúcaso a Leningrado. TCnl Alberto Marini. Círculo Militar. Buenos Aires.
    http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... deSS-R.htm

    Cheers. Raúl M .
    Last edited by tigre; 01-24-2011, 05:00 PM.

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      #3
      As i'm sure you know, as he was a kanonier then you're looking for an artillery regiment or battalion. Also, as we're talking 1941, then none of those divisions were 'panzer' at that time.
      Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Simon Orchard View Post
        As i'm sure you know, as he was a kanonier then you're looking for an artillery regiment or battalion. Also, as we're talking 1941, then none of those divisions were 'panzer' at that time.
        Simon, I got my info on who was there (if Kachowka is where I think it is as Kakhovka) from a book I found titled "Slaughterhouse:The Encyclopedia of the Eastern Front" wherein it states exactly what I wrote as to times and groups of any SS .
        Now that being said, for all I know the book is worthless and you are correct. I have no problem accepting that.

        Do you have any ideas as to what groups were there in september 41?

        Or where exactly Kachowka is geographically?

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          #5
          Raul,
          these could be one of the right ones,
          thanks for telling me.

          Originally posted by tigre View Post
          Hello Michael ; well besides the SS Units you've mentioned before it was fighting there the 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot). It was composed of the SS IR 8 and SS IR 10.

          29.08.1941.

          Carrying out raking tasks, the 1. SS-Brig reached the line Owrutsch-Norinsk-Weleniki-Listwin-Kuliki-Rudnia Czerwonka.

          01.09.1941.01.09.1941.

          The 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot) was detached from 6 AOK and reached (after several days of marching) the Dnjepr by Nikopol. Nearby was deployed the SS LAH (you did not mention it). The bulk of LAH got across the Dnjepr on Sep 11 1941 by Kachowka.

          03.09.1941.

          The 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot) together with the Sich Div 454, 444 y 213 plus a security Slovakian unit were subordinated to Befh.d.Rückw.H.Gebiet Süd (Commander of the Rear area Army Group South).

          Sources: Del caúcaso a Leningrado. TCnl Alberto Marini. Círculo Militar. Buenos Aires.
          http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... deSS-R.htm

          Cheers. Raúl M .

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            #6
            SS Units Ukraine 1941.

            Hello Michael ; you should take in account that...

            30.07.41.

            The SS Flak Abt which was organizing since May 1941 at Gleiwitz was disolved and the 2.Flak-Bttr., SS-Ustuf. Brock was sent to SS-IR 10, the 3.Flak-Bttr., SS-Ostuf.Reutzel, was detached to SS-IR 8. (Stöber,Flak der W SS,S.365). Hence the 1. SS-Infanterie Brigade (Mot) got its kanoniers after all.

            The LAH had one SS Flak Abt and assault guns also.

            Source:
            http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...fBrigadeSS.htm

            AFAIK, Kachowka was located by the Dnjepr in the sector of Nikopol. Today it seems that it exist a dam there and I could locate the town of Nowo Kachowka.

            Cheers. Raúl M .

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              #7
              Guys, hello!

              I incidentally found this old theme.....

              I live in the Kakhovka town, in Ukraine! If you have questions - I can help you!

              In September, 1941 in Kakhovka there were parts of LSSAH. I have photoconfirmation of it, and also I have literature in which about it it is told!

              Yours faithfully, Alex.

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