Eagle Analysis

[Marc Garlasco]

Gents,
I am hoping you can help me solve a little puzzle. A friend just sent photos of a rare wide-pin Wiedmann Flak, but the eagle looks a bit off. At first I thought it was a dead-ringer for a fake you find on Brehmer-marked fake badges. Then when I looked again I wondered if mine just had a blunt beak. I then pulled photos of other Wiedmann flaks and they all had a similar blunt beak.

Here is the question - is this a variation of the Wiedmann eagle? We know Juncker, for example, changed their eagle. Is it just one with a beak that has not been blunted? Or is this a fake eagle - the same found on a host of fakes?

I will post a comparison of the eagles and then show the full badges below, including accepted Wiedmann flaks.

Many thanks!
Marc

[Marc Garlasco]

This is the badge in question

[Marc Garlasco]

This is an original Wide-pin Wiedmann

[Marc Garlasco]

This is an original common Wiedmann

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This is a fake marked Brehmer

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This is a fake marked BR

[Marc Garlasco]

There is no doubt about the two fakes. The BREHMER fake has a bad Deumer wreath and the Wiedmann-type eagle. The BR has a bad Brehmer wreath and the Wiedmann-type eagle. I am also totally confident about the two originals. The badge in question looks good to me. I like the finish, and it has what I expect - but the eagle throws me and so I would like to discuss it.
Many thanks!

[solo]

Hello Mark ,looking very close you can see very little variation in the wreat.It could be becose it's little angled or for the die was very used.In my opinion is a fake ,a very good fake.The wreath semms to be soft, laking some particulars the edge of the leafs are soft in comparison with the sharp original ones.It could be a cast copy of an original wiedeman and the well known fake eagles.
In the comparison photos I pointed the differences matching in color.
I hope my english it's not so bad you can understand what I mean.
Ciao
Carlo

[solo]

back side,the pin shape is similar but not the same IMO

[Marc Garlasco]

I am not so sure yet. The reverse can just be a paralax issue. I am more interested in the EAGLE. WHY do we see this eagle on so many different fakes - and is it the SAME eagle as on the seemingly good one? As for the obverse, that might be wear. I will ask for weight and measurements.

ANYONE?

[Marc Garlasco]

Weight and measurements are all good.