Frontflugspange, good or bad ?

[gusten]

Dear collectorfriends

Picked up this frontfliegspange with hanger to day. I´ve got it with seven days inspection and for me it looks fine. But I have only seen maybe 5 of them before. Please help me with your oppinion. Its marked CE JUNKER, BERLIN SW.

http://a.domaindlx.com/Gustengg/spangestamp.jpg

http://a.domaindlx.com/Gustengg/spangefram.jpg

http://a.domaindlx.com/Gustengg/spangebak.jpg

[skip]

Hi Gusten,

well IMO its a repro. Especially if the marking is "Junker" and not "Juncker" it is a bad one. I don´t do the FFSp myself but I seem to recall that Juncker ones should be marked in the middle of the circle and not, like yours on the oakleaves. Maybe one of the FFSp collectors could enlighten us more.

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[gusten]

According to this site Juncker marked its items with CE JUNKER BERLIN SW

Odd

http://www.deutsche-ehrenzeichen.de/...zel_page27.htm

[Philippe DB]

Hi Gusten,

I'm afraid the author of that site just made the same mistake 3 times over.

It's something you will see happening quite often because as far as I know using the letter combination "CK" in a word is quit uncommon in the German language.

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

This often made mistake (even by Germans) has mainly two reasons:

1) 99% of the LW awards collectors are also interested in WWII aeroplanes and there is the well known company JUNKERS who made the Stuka, JU-52, JU-88 etc, etc.

2) Then there is the German word JUNKER, which has a similar meaning as "knight" originally, but is also used in military terms, e.g. "Fahnenjunker", "Junkerschule" etc.

Some people mix these things up in their head, even more difficult because JUNKERS, JUNKER and JUNCKER are all WWII German military related somehow. It is good that one of these people was a faker!

Cheers, Frank

[gusten]

Is this a known fake ? I think I have to use my moneyback-warranty... This thing could turn out to be something nasty, it was not cheap

This often made mistake (even by Germans) has mainly two reasons:

1) 99% of the LW awards collectors are also interested in WWII aeroplanes and there is the well known company JUNKERS who made the Stuka, JU-52, JU-88 etc, etc.

2) Then there is the German word JUNKER, which has a similar meaning as "knight" originally, but is also used in military terms, e.g. "Fahnenjunker", "Junkerschule" etc.

Some people mix these things up in their head, even more difficult because JUNKERS, JUNKER and JUNCKER are all WWII German military related somehow. It is good that one of these people was a faker!

Cheers, Frank

[David R.]

Hi Qusten If the badge is maker marked as you said Its marked CE JUNKER, BERLIN SW. Then the clasp is a fake,It should be JUNCKER.Yes get your money back ASAP.
David R.

Is this a known fake ? I think I have to use my moneyback-warranty... This thing could turn out to be something nasty, it was not cheap

[Gene]

The clasp you have 100% fake. I hope you can get your money back; if he gives you a hard time please let us know from whom you bought it.

[Jos L C]

Gene's right...,give it back..,if you can...


Jos.

[gusten]

Hello again !

The seller runs a antiqe-shops and I have bought a lot of good stuff from him during the years so there was no problem with the money, he is a serious businessman. The money are back in my wallet. And for all of you that helped me;a big Thankyou !

[David R.]

Hi it's good to see you got your money back.

Hello again !

The seller runs a antiqe-shops and I have bought a lot of good stuff from him during the years so there was no problem with the money, he is a serious businessman. The money are back in my wallet. And for all of you that helped me;a big Thankyou !

[Joseph D'Errico]

Agreed , Clasp is a fake.

_ Base metal

- Finish

-Detail

-Spelling of makers mark

Best,
JD