Double marked pilot badge

[Marc Garlasco]

A perfectly fine SW68 marking - textbook. Juncker stamped their third pattern Tombak flaks with this marking so no problem.
Marc

[Larry Lipps]

Okay, but you're not going hunting with me.

[Marc Garlasco]

Neither is Dick Cheney I hope!

[savarese29]

Agree..there is nothing wrong with the SW68 marking...HOWEVER, it is on a Second Pattern (J2) not a Third Pattern (J3).

Interagative...has anyone seen an SW68 marking on a J2 Pilot Badge? I have ONLY seen this marking on J3 Pilot Badges.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Larry, we are all obviously thinking the same thing, that it is odd that the SW68 logo is on a J2, however that doesn't automatically make this a reproduction, does it? It is an oddity, but that cannot be the only reason we have to totally dismiss this pilot badge, is it? I doubt there is anyone that can confidently say "the SW68 logo was NEVER applied to a J2 pilot badge". How can any of us be so sure of that?

Lets ask another question, when did Juncker start using the SW68 logo?

Or

Disregarding the maker mark, can you fault this badge on anything else? Hardware, rivets, die characteristics, finish, etc.

Tom

[mdj]

2 more....not the best

[Jos L C]

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[klaus]

Odd but IMO ok...

[savarese29]

Question for Jos

Jos,

Two questions for you---

1) Is the double stamp you posted a J2 or J3.

2) Which stamp appears to be the original/first stamp on the badge?

It would make more sense to me if the IMME stamp was the original and the SW68 was the overstamp for IMME had J2 style badges. Maybe Junker overstamped these J2 IMME badges later in the war.

Thoughts??

r/ Mike

[Lorenzo Brown]

.... It would make more sense to me if the IMME stamp was the original and the SW68 was the overstamp for IMME had J2 style badges. Maybe Junker overstamped these J2 IMME badges later in the war.

Thoughts??

r/ Mike

Those were my thoughts also ... Old "IMME" stamped inventory stock that was restamped later in the war by Juncker.

[Tim Calvert]

Those were my thoughts also ... Old "IMME" stamped inventory stock that was restamped later in the war by Juncker.

Yeah, I agree with this line of thought too. Since I've yet to see a zinc JMME or IMME pilot, it might be possible that they went out of business and sent some leftover stock back to their buddies Juncker, who had by then switched over to the SW 68 stamp.

I also agree with Mike about not seeing the 68 mark on a tombak pilot.

Jos, any news on which stamp occured first?

[Hansi]

From the image it can be seen, that the Juncker mark was the first stamp that was overstamped by the IMME mark.

Hansi

[mmiller]

From the image it can be seen, that the Juncker mark was the first stamp that was overstamped by the IMME mark.

Hansi

I agree with Hansi. This was discussewd several years back. Tim Hart had one which was posted. I was fortunate enough to acquire it 'next in line'.

The IMME is stamped over the Juncker makermark.

Mark

[savarese29]

Mark

Mark,

So now that you own it....it is confirmed that the IMME is over the SW68?

I am referencing this discussion prior to your purchase:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...e+stamp&page=8

r/ Mike

[mmiller]

Hi Mike,

I need to reread the original thread. I remembered it, but I may have the 'outcome' inverted!

If anyone is interested, I will takes close-ups of the makermark. It might take a day or two, but definately by the weekend.


.......or was the Juncker on top of the IMME?

Mark