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In summary...I see a ka-jillion similarities between Seba's and the textbook badge and only two very small discrepancies pointed out by Robert ( that could be from damage, camera or finishing differences.)
IMO they are the same Assmann eagle!!!Last edited by Lorenzo Brown; 08-13-2003, 08:31 PM.Visit my Badge Collection: http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/home.htmlComment
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As usual Lorenzo, great work. Thanks for taking the time! Ok, so I think that we can be in agreement that we have an Assmann eagle. The mystery, and one that we may never solve, lies in the wreath.Originally posted by Lorenzo BrownComment
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Two points:
Point One: Everybody should look at the article on "Luftwaffe Documentation" submitted by Francois Saez and Paul Williams. The information in this article is VERY REVEALING. Consider that from 1935 to 1939, only about 20,000 Luft awards were issued.
Thereafter, the numbers increase dramatically as the war ensues and production of awards increases at least five-fold until the awards reached about 170,000.
Most of what we collect and see are those awards produced after the war started. These represent the majority of designs and what we erroneously refer to as "textbook".. I submit that from 1935 to 1939, badge production was in it's infancy and not much more than a "cottage industry" for a few makers...probably Assmann and Juncker.
We know very little about these early badges and it is preposterous to assume that the earliest-made badges did not go through several design changes until production maturity set-in around 1939 or so.
We must be open-minded about the early badges. We cannot assume that that Assmann or Juncker started making badges with a "spun-rivet" e.g., from the get-go. In all likelihood, early badge makers went through several iterations of design until the war started and they settled on their production lines.
Point two: How do I get rid of this "backdoor" virus?Visit my Badge Collection: http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/home.htmlComment
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Nice job, Lorenzo.
The closeup of the wingtip feathers really improved things. I can see that they are indeed the same bird now. Thanks for all the effort putting this confusion (my confusion) to rest. Amen!
Robert
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The Bird
Great thread,
(What a disappointment...it stayed civil to boot!)
Mark
PS- Lorenzo, how much will you charge to photograph and catalogue about 150 badges?"You can check out any time you like ..... But you can never leave....."Comment
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Yes, what about the wreath?
Agree with Lorenzo that cottage industries were springing up everywhere. It is evident with daggers, especially the SA where you see SO many different examples where it is estimated 10 or so were made by some rare manufacturers. And, they were produced with often home made blades but more often than not with parts from the big manufacturers.
So why not with badges, especially in the early going?
Why not a company that produced a wreath but hadn't gotten the eagle finished?
Speculation is cheap...
But, evidence regarding the daggers in the Third Reich suggest it is at least possible for a lone manufacturer here and there who would have gone to one of the large companys like Assmann to get parts...
IMME/JMME did it and stayed in business.Comment
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