pilot badge marker ?

[ChrisH]

hello all,

please help this marker, maybe a Osang ?

regards Chris

[Karsten S]

I´m unsure if this is original. I looks like an FLL, but the wreath is wrong, and also the set-up on the reverse.

Sorry, but I´m not a fan of it.

Cheers

Karsten

[all1knew]

Hello,

Indeed a reproduction.

William Kramer

[jambobbyb]

Hi was this one for sale recently with a Detlev niemann COA? i seem to remember one like it. This is a reproduction and if you do a search for FLL pilots badge you will find a good number of good examples, the reverse setup is incorrect for this type of badge as is he wreath.
Heres the reverse of mine

[ChrisH]

the badge is Original !!
but my question is what is the marker ?

regards Chris

[all1knew]

Hello again,

If you firmly believe this is original, then you should firmly believe that it was produced by an unknown maker thought to be FLL.

William Kramer

[juvatwad]

I'm with those who think it's not original. The eagle looks like an "FLL", but the wreath looks like a mild version of a "dipping wreath" fake. COA's don't come down from Mt Sinai on stone tablets. They're really only as good as the item they represent. They can, however help you get your money back, if you so choose.

[Karsten S]

the badge is Original !!
but my question is what is the marker ?

regards Chris

I´m sorry, but even Mr Niemann is wrong from time to time, and he usually has no problem admitting it. You get more knowledge over time. I would contact Detlev Niemann if i was you.

Cheers

Karsten

[DONDon1]

maybe an Deumer perhaps?But the first thought was also Osang.

[jambobbyb]

Hi this is no Deumer or osang look at the eagle, Its a very very good copy of an unknown maker (FLL)
Heres an extreme close up of the front of mine check the two areas out i have highlighted the one posted doesnt have any definition and the wreath is wrong, Its a very worrying copy

[jambobbyb]

And heres my Deumer eagle for a side by side comparrison

[Karsten S]

It is a very well made copy, but it is indeed a copy.

Sorry

Regards

Karsten

[all1knew]

It is a very well made copy, but it is indeed a copy.

Sorry

Regards

Karsten

Agreed, and to give you some reading material:

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=178107

http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=210526

http://www.iiireichcollectibles.com/badgeLW9.htm

The only argument your badge could possibly hold is that it is an early example, but I just provided three links to tombak badges that do not show your badge with the style of wreath and hinge/catch setup.

William Kramer

[ChrisH]

finaly thank you for all answer,
but this badge comes from privat,iam and Niemann only have it on hand
now,i think its a very rare type
regards Chris

[all1knew]

Hello,

So you still believe it is original?



.......because you're selling it as one!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=2334001



Look at the BLOB on the first oak-leaf in between the white squares!

William Kramer