honor goblet value

[AFF96]

Google translator:
First, I apologize, I make my remarks in German.
1. The picture in the textbook clearly shows a trophy engraved with the 42nd
2. The engraving on the Cup is totally incomprehensible and Molders in my opinion, not original contemporary, because given the trophy as a special award by the Reich Marshal Hermann Goering was Hitler and not as a special award.

For Marseille Trophy: This I believe to be original engraving, I have cups engraved with the same type known. A special feature, pointed A, the upper and lower lengths at the E longer than the x-height, the length of tapered ends here. Further, the letters with a small base are provided.

Best wishes Waterloo

[Pierre]

The author has made a mistake in telling that the date engraved was 3.11.41 as it is just the honor list date.
As everybody knows the date engraved on a goblet never matches with the honor list date.

Pierre

[chen]

The engraved year 42 can not be true. It should be 41 as Marseille got his 25th kill at 12.10. 41 and the Ehrenliste dated is 3.11.41.
Also take a look at the enlarged area. I can see "HA" clearly but the next letter looks like" O" or "C" or "G" which has curvature while "N" does not. Then after 2 more spaces, I can see something looks like" S" and followed by"O" or"C" or "G" which has curvature. Bear this in mind, it is impossible to put "HANS-JOACHIM MARSEILLE " in the correct position. Therefore, this can not be Marseille's goblet. If this is, how come this photo's name engraved area is so poorly lighted? In short, this is somebody else's goblet.

[chen]

Additional pictures:

[chen]

Let's try to help Bob for his diamond holder goblet. Besides Marseille's one owned by Chen and Rudel's one which should still be in the family with his other awards where are:

Gollob's, Graf's, Nowotny's, Lent's and Schnaufer's goblets?

I think but I am perhaps mistaking that Galland and Mölders didn't receive one.


Pierre

These Luft. diamond winners all got the goblets except Molders and Graf. That Molders' goblet may be presented to Molder's unit or to his daughter, I have no idea.

[frankandfrank]

Da kann ich nur zustimmen. I also think the Moelders item is a complete forgery. Don't forget that Moelders received his goblet early in the conflict, before he became a national hero, so why the special presentation? Also, Moelders had a bad relationship with Hitler and the Nazis, being a devout Catholic. The whole thing makes no sense.

The Mölders honor goblet with the engraved is a nonsens fake !

Its a fake story from the USA !


As Vince said" The whole thing makes no sense"

Not every diamonds winner luftwaffe got the honor goblet really!

For example: Hartmann or Schnaufer didnt get the goblet really. Only the document !

[chen]

Although Molder did not physically handled this goblet before, this is still a genuine and rare goblet for several reasons:
Molder's goblet may be a dedicated type goblet personally from Hitler. I doubt another one ever existed.
It may be dedicated to Molder's unit or his family, who knows?
Whatever is the reason behind, this is still a rare and genuine goblet.

[VtwinVince]

Complete rubbish. I think many people are far too trusting.

[frankandfrank]

Although Molder did not physically handled this goblet before, this is still a genuine and rare goblet for several reasons:
Molder's goblet may be a dedicated type goblet personally from Hitler. I doubt another one ever existed.
It may be dedicated to Molder's unit or his family, who knows?
Whatever is the reason behind, this is still a rare and genuine goblet.

There is no genuine goblet from Moelders engraved !

Its a modern fake engraved with a nonsens date and hitler signature !
Its only a poor fake and not a very good fake !

If there is the Günther Rall honor goblet - this is a genuine , but not the faked engraved Mölders honor goblet

[Matthew]

interesting thread-
frank-are you saying that the Molder's goblet (the physical cup) is a modern fake or a genuine goblet with phony dedication?
cheers
Matt

[frankandfrank]

interesting thread-
frank-are you saying that the Molder's goblet (the physical cup) is a modern fake or a genuine goblet with phony dedication?
cheers
Matt

The engraved is a modern phony dedication !

Did you have more photos from the total goblet !

[Pierre]

Let's try to help Bob for his diamond holder goblet. Besides Marseille's one owned by Chen and Rudel's one which should still be in the family with his other awards where are:

Gollob's, Graf's, Nowotny's, Lent's and Schnaufer's goblets?

I think but I am perhaps mistaking that Galland and Mölders didn't receive one.


Pierre

Forget to try to find Schaufer's goblet. The honor goblet has been awarded to him in Juli 1943 which means that he only got the document on not the goblet itself.
You were right to point out my mistake Mike.

Pierre

[chen]

I also like to know where are these diamond winner's goblets?

[Bob Hritz]

Chen, my friend, please leave one out there for me!!!!

Bob Hritz

[chen]

Sure .