"Claw" foot B&NL Flak

[Frank Heukemes]

But the mm is on the eagle....which is a different eagle!!! So that would mean that the stamp would have to be from a separate stamping.

No, marks are on the badge itself, not the eagle.

I agree that the marks are the same, the very slight differences are within the norm and explainable.

One question remains open for me:

-is there any indication that the eagle was added at a later point in time? Are the finishes absolutely the same, does the base metal look to be the same? Somebody could have found old unfinished B&NL stock, and added the eagles, which might have been not available anymore from the old stock. He may have possibly refinished the badges after assembly. Can we exclude this possibility?

[skip]

Why go to all the trouble to copy such a lowly Flak badge. If I could manage this nearness to original I would go for Para or Pilots badges.

[skip]

I would also cast the same eagle that was on the original badge and not a totally new design.

[skip]

Just read your reply Frank.

Finish on eagle and badge are the same. Visable base metal also appears the same.
If it was old unfinished stock then somebody went to a lot of trouble to produce these, actually very detailed, eagles.

Skip

[Frank Heukemes]

Thanks, Skip. Strange indeed, I guess one day the explanation for this will pop up. I know there is not really a reason to dislike the type you have, but I remain suspicious. It is not enough to call them fakes though, I agree fully.

[Lorenzo Brown]

No, marks are on the badge itself, not the eagle.

Oooops...right. I think I must have the "BSW" ROG still on my mind.

[robert60446]

Dear Skip,
thanks for the great pictures! What a mystery! Please forgive me but i will maintain my suspicions...(geez i feel like a prosecutor here)...however everybody knows that the guilt must be proven and as of today there is no clear proof that this badge is indeed a fake. In other words (in my opinion), case must be dismissed!

[robert60446]

Oooops...right. I think I must have the "BSW" ROG still on my mind.

Nice try Lorenzo...

[ERIC S.]

Hi Guys,
I have found this other Flak Badge from another forum whose eagle bears a striking resemblance to the eagle on skip's badge - another "claw foot" eagle, yet this other badge, in general, doesn't look like any of the B&NL's we've discussed thus far, "claw" or "regular". A second type of "claw foot" Flak? Hmmmm...... This second Flak is unmarked. I also have a reverse pic of this Flak, but it also fails to show any resemblance to a B&NL. Here's the pic of the second next to skips Flak.
ERIC

[ERIC S.]

Eagles in comparison:

[Alexhip]

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[robert60446]

Hi Guys,
I also have a reverse pic of this Flak, but it also fails to show any resemblance to a B&NL. Here's the pic of the second next to skips Flak.
ERIC

Hi Eric,
could you please post the reverse picture? Thanks in advance!

[Indy]

Jeez....another tough stuff again....

I think the "&" is a bit weird. The "&" shown in Frank's pic got contains 2 circles on the top and the bottom of "&", but Skip's doesn't.

[ERIC S.]

OK Robert, the reverse:

[Indy]

there is a semicircle near catch