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    R.K. Minesweeper Makers' Mark Variants

    An older posting questioning the different look of makers' marks on the RK minesweepers, prompted me to examine all the images I had of these badges. Based on my observations I was able to classify the badges into 4 categories based on makers' marks. I've explained my breakdown in this first image, followed by additional images of the different examples. I'm open to suggestions and changes, particularly if different variants can be identified.

    Tony (NJ)
    Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 07:22 PM.
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    Level 2

    Examples of Level 2 maker's marks.
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    Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 09:57 PM.

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      Level 3

      Examples of the Level 3 maker's mark.
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      Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 09:57 PM.

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        Level 4

        Examples of the Level 4 maker's mark.
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        Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 09:58 PM.

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          #5
          Interesting. I have also noticed all of those RK variations and have wondered about them.

          Here is another variant to throw into the mix. It is on a silver plated tombak badge. It is serif letters...but with no periods behind the letters. Also, it seems to be located at the 2.5 level.
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            #6
            I once had an RK with a double hit maker mark though it has long departed ways with me. I don't know the reason why the different maker marks maybe different reverse dies like the AGMK Close Combat Clasp? ~ED

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              #7
              Hi entasis,

              Interesting. My example is a tombak example with "level 2" marking. What may be useful is if the reverses of the badges are posted. Hinge/pin/catch type and badge basemetal may give a clue as to whether the MM changed with time or whether used. Another possibility may be different alignment of the reverse die during different batch runs.

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              Mike K
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                #8
                entasis,

                I have noticed the difference in locations before, but not the lettering stylization. Here's two, the zinc on the left I sold a couple of years ago to Yuri D. and it resold later on the e-stand. Not sure if it's the same as the one you show in post #4 (right), but I remember the maker's mark was lower on that zinc badge than the buntmetal one below. Unfortunately, that is the only PIC I have left of the old zincer.
                Tim
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                  #9
                  Here's the mark on the buntmetal one.

                  Tim
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                    #10
                    Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. I've finally posted the Level 2 examples and updated the first 'explanatory' image. I've also located the the original thread, initiated by association member 'stong', which inspired my investigation.

                    <http: //www.wehrmacht-awards.net/forums/showthread.php?t="14163&highlight=rk+minesweeper"> </http:>http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14163&highlight=rk+minesweeper

                    @Lorenzo: great insight. I noticed that I had two unidentified "sans-period" examples for Level 2 and as you may notice, I've already updated the first 'explanatory' image and fixed the examples for Level 2.

                    @Ed: Unfortunately, I'm not as well versed in manufacturing techniques nor the peculiarities of the CCC as you are (btw, thanks for your comments on my ms.FCL) but look forward to any additional comments you may have.

                    @Tim: I found the original photo and indeed you initially posted a badge in image 4. In addition, I did notice that the first badge in the first image IS your buntmetal. If you have any objections, I'll remove them.

                    @Mike: Indeed a full reverse would be ideal for comparisons. However, I would be apprehensive about posting full pictures without the owners' consent. As in the aforementioned response to Tim, I posted one of his badges without evening knowing it. In addition, some images were from commercial sites. Nonetheless, in stong's original thread, it was correctly pointed out that the number of waves differed in the variant examples. Perhaps I'll return to examine this feature and note observeable patterns.
                    Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 04:58 PM.

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                      #11
                      This is a great thread

                      I've always noticed the differences in the fonts of these R.K. Minesweepers. I am the proud owner of the level 3 (or block letters w/ periods) Minesweeper Badge

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                        #12
                        Hello, Tony! This is mine. May be this is 3th level (or 3,5th ). But the design of the letters is similar on level 4.


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                          #13
                          Tony,
                          Great job! Could we have photos of the eagle per type/level. It looks like the lower the level the less crisp the "splash " outline. I would expect to see slightly less detail on the obverse as the 'RK' drops also. ~Ed

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                            RK Minesweeper Wave Count

                            Here's a summary of the wave or ripple count by variants described elsewhere. I should explain that I count from the knot tying the bottom of the wreath straight up to the base of the plume and ignore those waves 'behind' the plume.
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                            Last edited by entasis; 04-24-2005, 07:34 PM.

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                              Tony,

                              No problem on using any of my PICS, but thanks for asking! I think you're correct that the level 4 in your post 4 is the maker's mark off that zinc badge I sold sometime back. The photo looks like one of mine and the mark is very familiar.

                              I don't think the shot in your first post, level 2 is mine though, the dirt spot is similar, but in a slightly different position and yours is missing a little die flaw that mine has at the 11 o'clock position. Very close though!
                              Tim

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