RSS Fleet Badge reproduction?

[1historynut]

This badge looks fine to me but I always like another opinion. Opinion on the Flak badge welcome to.
Thanks, Mike

[1historynut]

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[BubbaZ]

Hi Mike,
Cannot comment on the flak but the fleet badge is well known and common fake unfortunately.
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

Agree, HSF is a fake. John

[Norm F]

Hi Mike,

As mentioned, this Fleet badge is one of an older series of fakes complete with fake maker marks. They are posted quite often to it's a good idea to show the whole series in one thread for future reference.

First, the "R.S.&S." Fleet badge like yours.

[Norm F]

Next, the "f.o" Destroyer.

[Norm F]

And here's the "S.H.u.Co." Coastal Artillery fake.

[1historynut]

Thanks for the replies Gentlemen. I appreciate it.

[Norm F]

These were popping up so often that WAF member Earl Miller, back in 2007, subjected the CA badge to X-ray fluorescence elemental analysis, proving that they were made of modern cartridge brass, not Tombak.

[Norm F]

They were also paired in the past with fake packets -- a pretty elaborate deception.

[Norm F]

...and the CA badge with same type of packet.

[Norm F]

Although unproven, it's possible there's a generational link between this series of fakes and the "Cave Creek" line of fake Schwerin badges.

[Norm F]

They were also paired in the past with fake packets -- a pretty elaborate deception.

Another example of the fake R.S.&S. packet.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Here are two generations of fake U-Boat packets apparently from the same source with the same font but different iterations of "1939". Before the internet, junk like this could spread through shows and collections like wildfire -- the heyday for fakers.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Mike,

The High Seas Fleet Badge is a well-known fake. But the Luftwaffe Flak Badge is an original in zinc by Gustav Brehmer of Markneukirchen.

Best regards,
Tom