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**1historynut** · 03-09-2018, 01:10 PM

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**BubbaZ** · 03-09-2018, 01:45 PM

Hi Mike,
Cannot comment on the flak but the fleet badge is well known and common fake unfortunately.
Cheers,
Hubert

**John R.** · 03-09-2018, 01:54 PM

Agree, HSF is a fake. John

**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:36 PM

Hi Mike,

As mentioned, this Fleet badge is one of an older series of fakes complete with fake maker marks. They are posted quite often to it's a good idea to show the whole series in one thread for future reference.

First, the "R.S.&S." Fleet badge like yours.

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**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:42 PM

Next, the "f.o" Destroyer.

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**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:44 PM

And here's the "S.H.u.Co." Coastal Artillery fake.

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**1historynut** · 03-09-2018, 02:49 PM

Thanks for the replies Gentlemen. I appreciate it.

**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:49 PM

These were popping up so often that WAF member Earl Miller, back in 2007, subjected the CA badge to X-ray fluorescence elemental analysis, proving that they were made of modern cartridge brass, not Tombak.

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**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:51 PM

They were also paired in the past with fake packets -- a pretty elaborate deception.

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**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 02:52 PM

...and the CA badge with same type of packet.

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**Norm F** · 03-09-2018, 03:21 PM

Although unproven, it's possible there's a generational link between this series of fakes and the "Cave Creek" line of fake Schwerin badges.

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**Norm F** · 03-21-2018, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Norm F View Post

They were also paired in the past with fake packets -- a pretty elaborate deception.

Another example of the fake R.S.&S. packet.

Best regards,
---Norm

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**Norm F** · 03-21-2018, 08:11 PM

Here are two generations of fake U-Boat packets apparently from the same source with the same font but different iterations of "1939". Before the internet, junk like this could spread through shows and collections like wildfire -- the heyday for fakers.

Best regards,
---Norm

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**Tom Yanacek** · 03-22-2018, 07:58 AM

Hi Mike,

The High Seas Fleet Badge is a well-known fake.

But the Luftwaffe Flak Badge is an original in zinc by Gustav Brehmer of Markneukirchen.

Best regards,
Tom

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