Two from an Antique Shop.. U-Boat and Minesweeper

[Welsh RS]

Hi guys, me again.. found these two items at a local antique shop. U-Boat Badge, guilt wash looks great, maker marked by Schwerin Berlin 68 ? Minesweeper Badge non maker marked - here are the photos, all help and opinions very welcome!




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[BubbaZ]

Hi,
U-boat is well known fake.
Minesweeper is original Deumer zincer.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Welsh RS]

Thankyou Hubert, wasnt expecting that.. just shows how careful you have to be Thanks again


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[Martin W]

Hi,
U-boat is well known fake.
Minesweeper is original Deumer zincer.
Cheers,
Hubert

I agree with Hubert.

Hopefully you can get your money back on the U-Boat badge.The quality is good on these fakes and meant to deceive.
The reverse hardware is one of the main giveaways on these badges.

Cheers,Martin.

[Welsh RS]

Hi Martin thanks for your help, I haven't purchased any of them.. I didn't like the makers mark on the U-Boat that's why I posted them here for opinions [emoji1303]


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[BubbaZ]

Judging from the hardware this fake u-boat looks like one of the infamous 'cave creek specials' which have been in circulation since mid 90s.
Good to hear you have not bought it yet.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Welsh RS]

What do you mean by a cave creek special ?


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[Martin W]

What do you mean by a cave creek special ?


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A series of well known fakes that originated in Cave Creek,Arizona.

Cheers,Martin.

[Norm F]

A series of well known fakes that originated in Cave Creek,Arizona.

Cheers,Martin.

Or at least were marketed by a dealer in Cave Creek, Arizona as Martin says, giving rise to the nickname, but where they were made is less clear.

Welsh RS, this forum is a font of information if you're interested in learning more about KM badges and the identification of originals. The pinned threads a good way to start, and if you want to see more about the "Cave Creek" badges, a simple search on this forum on "Cave Creek" will reveal numerous hits. The forum is organized well so that you can learn a great deal in a short period of time with a bit of study, and essential reading if you're serious about the hobby.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Welsh RS]

A series of well known fakes that originated in Cave Creek,Arizona.



Cheers,Martin.

Thanks Martin you've been more than helpful! Very much appreciate it..


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[Welsh RS]

Or at least were marketed by a dealer in Cave Creek, Arizona as Martin says, giving rise to the nickname, but where they were made is less clear.



Welsh RS, this forum is a font of information if you're interested in learning more about KM badges and the identification of originals. The pinned threads a good way to start, and if you want to see more about the "Cave Creek" badges, a simple search on this forum on "Cave Creek" will reveal numerous hits. The forum is organized well so that you can learn a great deal in a short period of time with a bit of study, and essential reading if you're serious about the hobby.



Best regards,

---Norm

Hi Norm, thanks for your reply.. I shall do a search and find out more about the cave creek fakes, sounds interesting ! Where do you find the pinned posts ? Always up for a bit of reading.. thanks


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[Norm F]

Where do you find the pinned posts ? Always up for a bit of reading.. thanks

Right here.

[Welsh RS]

Sorry I'm using tapatalk on an iPhone not the computer, thanks norm


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[John R.]

I think the first red flag for most KM badges is the fact they are even in an antique shop. I have been in hundreds of such shops and I just think with the advent of the internet, these shops rarely make a big mistake with almost anything--books, coins, militaria, nothing.

I personally have never found a single KM badge worth anything in antique shops in the US or Europe.

I know Jody in Arizona has had some luck 40 or 50 years ago, but I have not experienced such finds.

Now, back in the 1950's, it was possible. 2017, pretty tough. John

[Welsh RS]

Hi John thanks for your reply.. the antiques Dealers shop has a variety of glass cabinets from different sellers.. the one gentleman has a lot of British and german militaria (some very nice items) this is where I found them, out of the four items I posted three have been good, the one fake is the U-Boat here


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