Horizontal pinned Minesweeper

[Blue Yeti]

A late viewing at auction meant no time to post beforehand but having read every thread on here over the past year, every sticky and spent far more on books than badges it was time to follow what I felt I had learned! Fortunately the price was very cheap but I like what I see and if I have dropped a clanger would love to learn what I missed!

I believe it to be an umarked Deumer but I note how similar the Deumer hinge is to Junckers but don't believe Juncker made a horizontal set up on MS badges?

Thanks for looking and opinions.

Cheers
BY

[Blue Yeti]

And some more... Apologies for the jaunty angles for some reason computer seems to have switched them to what it feels is the correct way round...

BY

[Blue Yeti]

and last one....

Cheers

[Norm F]

I believe it to be an umarked Deumer but I note how similar the Deumer hinge is to Junckers but don't believe Juncker made a horizontal set up on MS badges?

Hi BY,

Well done. A very nice condition zinc Deumer.

Aside from the different hardware, the obverse design is also quite different from Juncker which you can appreciate from the classification thread. In that thread Deumer is a "Type 1" obverse design while Juncker is a "Type 2".

Best regards,
---Norm

[Blue Yeti]

Thanks Norm, glad to see my time lurking here is slowly paying off!!

I did look in the classification thread but could not see the Deumer made versions there or was I having a dopey moment?

Thanks for your help

BY

[Norm F]

Thanks Norm, glad to see my time lurking here is slowly paying off!!

I did look in the classification thread but could not see the Deumer made versions there ...?

Thanks for your help

BY

Post 2 shows the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 wave patterns, and Posts 5 and 6 show the closeups of the various makers in each category (including Deumer in post 5 and Juncker in post 6).

Most of the variants of the Deumer Minesweeper badge can also be seen here:
http://www.minesweeperbadge.net/Mine...et/Deumer.html

Yours is MC# 1.2.5.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Hey, 1612 visitors since 2012 Norm!!!!

[Blue Yeti]

That's brilliant, many thanks Norm your help most appreciated

Cheers
BY

[Norm F]

Hey, 1612 visitors since 2012 Norm!!!!

And that's the "unique visit" count since the counter doesn't include returning visits from the same IP address. Of course, it's also possible that those 1612 were random surfers who stumbled across it and never went back...

Best regards,
---Norm

[BubbaZ]

Hey, 1612 visitors since 2012 Norm!!!!

Nice figure
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

Long long history of warfare around 1612. The first Dimitry the Russians cremated and fired back to Poland in a cannon. Nice touch.

Then the garrrison which surrendered to the Russians:

Russian reinforcements under prince Pozharsky eventually starved the Commonwealth garrison (there were reports of cannibalism) and forced its surrender on the 1 November (though some sources give 6 November or 7 November) after the 19-month siege.[1]:564 A historian (Parker) writes vividly of the Polish soldiers: "First they ate grass and offal, then they ate each other, and the survivors finally surrendered. The Moscow Kremlin fell on 6 November 1612." On 7 November, the Polish soldiers withdrew from Moscow. Although the Commonwealth negotiated a safe passage, the Russian forces massacred half of the former Kremlin garrison forces as they left the fortress.[1]:564 Thus, the Russian army recaptured Moscow.

I think Hitler should have studied this a bit more if what happened to Napoleon was not enough to think about.

I need to find a book about Polish-Russian war in the 17th century on Amazon. The winged cavalry I guess you had to see to believe.

John

[John R.]

And that's the "unique visit" count since the counter doesn't include returning visits from the same IP address. Of course, it's also possible that those 1612 were random surfers who stumbled across it and never went back...

Best regards,
---Norm

Glad you clarified that Norm. I was thinking it consisted of my 4 hits and your 1608 visits.

John

[Norm F]

Glad you clarified that Norm. I was thinking it consisted of my 4 hits and your 1608 visits.

John

I'm honored you visited 4 times!

Best regards,
---Norm

[BubbaZ]

Long long history of warfare around 1612. The first Dimitry the Russians cremated and fired back to Poland in a cannon. Nice touch.

Then the garrrison which surrendered to the Russians:

Russian reinforcements under prince Pozharsky eventually starved the Commonwealth garrison (there were reports of cannibalism) and forced its surrender on the 1 November (though some sources give 6 November or 7 November) after the 19-month siege.[1]:564 A historian (Parker) writes vividly of the Polish soldiers: "First they ate grass and offal, then they ate each other, and the survivors finally surrendered. The Moscow Kremlin fell on 6 November 1612." On 7 November, the Polish soldiers withdrew from Moscow. Although the Commonwealth negotiated a safe passage, the Russian forces massacred half of the former Kremlin garrison forces as they left the fortress.[1]:564 Thus, the Russian army recaptured Moscow.


I think Hitler should have studied this a bit more if what happened to Napoleon was not enough to think about.

I need to find a book about Polish-Russian war in the 17th century on Amazon. The winged cavalry I guess you had to see to believe.

John

Yes, that's very interesting piece of Polish-Russian history (sorry for deleting part of my previous comment but I did not wanted to steal this thread ).
The day of recapturing Kremlin by Russians from Polish forces is now celebrated as 'independance day' in Russia (День народного единства).
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

Yes, that's very interesting piece of Polish-Russian history (sorry for deleting part of my previous comment but I did not wanted to steal this thread ).
The day of recapturing Kremlin by Russians from Polish forces is now celebrated as 'independance day' in Russia (День народного единства).
Cheers,
Hubert

Hard to find any books on the subject in English.