Cloth Destroyer on E-Stand

[Brig]

Is this one good? How difficult are they to come by? Photos taken directly from ad

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=754880

[Norm F]

Hi Brig,

This type of cloth Destroyer is quite common and posted not infrequently. Here's a past discussion:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=674998

Personally, I think they're likely post-war -- at any rate, they're certainly far more common than the type that has appeared in a period photograph (previously posted by Martin and discussed in that thread).

Best regards,
---Norm

[46IR]

the lack of actual quality seems quite striking when you compare to a cloth para personally would pass

[Brig]

Thanks for the input and the great link!

[Patrick W]

Hi Guys

Well this is my badge and it came from a pretty old collection. I wasn't aware there was any controversy over this type but I guess there is which is fine. I would say though that these are by no means common- the other type may be much rarer but I have had exactly 3 of these in the last 15 years and I have turned over a large number of items in that time. Here is another one to compare

http://www.gielsmilitaria.com/index....product_id=704

[Peter J.]

This type and the ditto U-Boat wasn't that difficult to find some +25 years ago and almost impossible sell. Just my two bits.

cheers
Peter

[Norm F]

I would say though that these are by no means common-

Here's a sampling from the internet. There are two types of backing material - tightly woven and loose woven.

First, the type with the tightly woven backing (like Patrick's).

[Norm F]

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and more.

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And now the variant with the loosely woven backing material.

[Norm F]

more.

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and more

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and two more

[Norm F]

And here's the odd example with the same obverse but a different backing cloth and invisible stitching at the prow of the ship which must be underneath the backing material.

[Norm F]

From Uniformen-Markt, May 1, 1942:

"Gestickte Kriegsabzeichen verboten. Das OKM teilt uns mit: Das Tragen von gestickten kriegsabzeichen ist verboten. Eine mengenmäßige Herstellung bedeutet Materialverschwendung und ist mit allen Mitteln zu unterbinden."

"Embroidered War Badges prohibited. The Kriegsmarine High Command tells us: The wearing of embroidered war badges is prohibited. Mass production means a waste of material and must be eliminated by all means."

For all these minty cloth Destroyers to be wartime they would have to be from a hoard from pre-May, 1942. Not impossible but so far we haven't seen any photos of this variant in wear like we have for the much less common variant posted previously by Martin W.

Best regards,
---Norm