U-boat Stickpin

[RonR]

He was a hero.....


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[RonR]

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[AndyC]

Nice stickpin



Andy

[Norm F]

Hi Ron,

I agree, looks like a nice original mini, likely by Schickle.

These U-Boat minis have been effectively reproduced by Morigi or his supplier as discussed in this thread, but yours in combination with the crosses looks good in my opinion.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Kondor]

Very nice stick pin I've never seen one like this before.

[RonR]

Many thanks for your kind advice!

[Brig]

Very nice stick pin I've never seen one like this before.

I believe it would have had to have been a custom/commissioned piece. War badges weren't authorized on combo pins per Third Reich regulations. It appears as if the EKII was removed and the U-Boat added, quite a long time ago, not a recent thing, most likely period done

[Norm F]

I believe it would have had to have been a custom/commissioned piece. War badges weren't authorized on combo pins per Third Reich regulations. It appears as if the EKII was removed and the U-Boat added, quite a long time ago, not a recent thing, most likely period done

That's a good point about the forbidden combination. Brig, do you recall the date of that regulation -- I can't seem to put my finger on it at the moment.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Peter J.]

Norm, I can't recall from the top of my head, but I think it was around 1942. That would leave ample time for the possibility of an Order/Waffenabz.-combination. However, I don't think the piece presented by Ron is contemporary and it doesn't correspond with what I perceive to be a Schickle design.


cheers
Peter

[Norm F]

I found the announcement in July, 1941:

"Es is ferner untersagt, Waffenabzeichen der Wehrmacht mit Kriegsauszeichnungen zusammenzustellen. Waffenabzeichen sind keine Ehrenzeichen, sondern Tätigkeits- oder Leistungs-abzeichen. Sie gehören nicht an eine Nadel mit den Kriegsauszeichnungen."

"It is also forbidden to assemble combat badges of the Wehrmacht with war decorations. Combat badges are not decorations, but rather activity or performance badges. They do not belong on a needle with the war decorations."

Schickle was forbidden by the Präsidialkanzlei from manufacturing 3. Reich awards from June 3, 1941 onwards, so that does leave a theoretical window of opportunity for a pin of this combination to have been manufactured in wartime before then.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

However, I don't think the piece presented by Ron is contemporary and it doesn't correspond with what I perceive to be a Schickle design.

That's another good point about the cross design. Here's an L/15 marked cross combination that's quite different in design from Ron's crosses.

[Norm F]

Mind you, here's a third style of cross marked L/15 so the field is confusing. Will the real Otto Schickle please stand up.

[Peter J.]

Ok, so it was 1941 and a possibility. But this is IMHO not a Schickle product, nor does it present any logic.


This piece was initially made as a 3-piece combo (given the position of the pin), EK1+EK2+? (yes Dietrich, I contest your opinion ). But, the EK's don't show the features of other L/15-marked minis I've seen and particularly the "3" on the EK1 looks like utter garbage. Comparing a glass enameled mini with a ordinary cross is futile though (apples and bananas).


I think it's unlikely a 16mm mini would find it's way to a combo like this, rather than a more suitable 9mm version. The U-Boot mini from this period ought to be die-struck, with sharp edges. Ron's mini has very soft edges and a piece missing on the top left reverse. I can't see how this is representative for a die-struck piece.


cheers
Peter

[Norm F]

I think it's unlikely a 16mm mini would find it's way to a combo like this, rather than a more suitable 9mm version.

That's another excellent point. Makes no sense to attach a 16 mm mini to a 9 mm combo.

Here's an unmarked cross combo with a U-shaped pin attachment that appears to be the same cross design as Ron's but soldered together differently.

[Peter J.]

Eeek, that looks even worse if you ask me!


cheers
Peter