U-Boot Frontspange

[Ostbat]

Do you own this clasp?

Yes, John.


Material zink, the size 75,93 x 23,93 mm, weight 18,36 gr


Now at Weitze the same clasp is on sale:

[Ostbat]

ENTW

[John R.]

John,
I have found only two links about "U Boat clasp first pattern".
This -
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...22&postcount=8
The clasp shown by me differs from it...

And this - http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=boat+clasp

Just want to bring this back since we discussed this same clasp in this thread and in the second link above with the opinion it is period in both.

John

[John R.]

Yes, John.


Material zink, the size 75,93 x 23,93 mm, weight 18,36 gr


Now at Weitze the same clasp is on sale:

This is not the same clasp from the photos IMO, it is the same style of clasp though.

John

[John R.]

Just to try to clear this thread up a bit, I think we collectively feel the first clasp posted by Igor is period, especially after the photos in post 15.

The Weitze clasp is period IMO.

The only fake in this thread is the one I posted as a fake in post 10.

John

[Gensui]

Gents,
A friend told me, that a good indication to see an origin clasp of the first type is the defected „T“ in „Ent.”, caused by a defect in the die.

I saw the Weitze clasp and some others with intact "T". Hard to believe, that all of them are fakes...

What do you think?
BR,
Chris

[John R.]

The problem with this theory is that dies wear out, or wore out.

Therefore we need to study the theory a bit with known examples and see if it holds up.

I believe you must look at the entire clasp, meaning the catch, letters, pin, hinge, obverse swords, etc. Then you can make a call.

Lets hear what others might have to say.

Another period example IMO attached.

John

[John R.]

Same clasp, different lighting. The "T" is complete as I see it.

This is not to say badges and clasps do not have die defects, they do, depending on the artifact we are discussing. In this case, I think the "T" theory is not valid.

John

[John R.]

Chris,

Note in post 10 that the "T" is missing altogether along with another letter. This might be what he is talking about in the case of the fake example.

John

[Gensui]

Great, John!
Thanks for showing these samples!