High seas fleet

[mandy333]

Greetings: Being a novice badge collector, I posted a high seas fleet badge on e-stand for sale. I have been informed that perhaps a discussion was needed on this particular piece. I will now post it for your comments. Thank you for all replies and information.
Best Regards
Zeke

[mandy333]

high seas

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[mandy333]

Fleet badge

Makers mark. Thank you for all replies. It is much appreciated.
Best Regards
Zeke

[Jeff V]

Hi Zeke, unfortunately this HSF is a fake. Sorry for the bad news.
best wishes,
jeff

[Jeff V]

Here is an original to compare.
best wishes,
jeff

[Jeff V]

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[fdodge]

I agree.
Best regards,
Frank

[mandy333]

Hi Zeke, unfortunately this HSF is a fake. Sorry for the bad news.
best wishes,
jeff

Greetings Jeff: Thank you for the reply and for displaying you badge. I have been scrolling back and forth and to my untrained eye am not sure what I am looking for. Outside of the one I posted is lacking detail (looks like wear), where should I be looking to distinguish a fake. I have just become interested in badges and I realize it is a lifelong learning experience, but could you give me some pointers as to whether it is detail or positioning of structure or the oak leaf ring or some characteristic or a combination of all these that recognize it as a repo. I remember a PAB I had enquired about and it was referred to as a 2 dot(daisy) fake . The only characteristic it displayed as a fake is that it had 2 dots in the daisies. Is there something as simple as that, that distinguishes this as a repo. I hope this makes sense to you. I always appreciate help provided."Thank you"
Regards
Zeke

[Darrell]

Zeke, Mike Kenney has an excellent article about HSF badges and how to discern originals.

I believe the one you show is the so called "Cave Creek" Special. An offspring of a batch of fakes originating out of the US in the 1980's.

[gaz]

Hi Zeke
One of the things i look for on these badges by this maker is seen easier from the back,if you look on an original where the top mast comes across on either side you can see a little triangle shape sticking out towards the mast on the wreath,
if you look closely the original one shown has it but unfortunatly yours does not so that is one pointer amongst others to look for ,sorry for the bad news
cheers
Gaz

[Jeff V]

Hi Zeke, many times the easiest way to spot a fake is to focus on the hardware. Compare the pins, hinges, and catches. Also, compare the maker marks closely. I agree with the others that Mike Kenny's thread on distinguishing real from fake on these Schwerins is a must read!!! Good luck and remember we all started from the same point you are in right now.
best wishes,
jeff

[John R.]

Hi Zeke, many times the easiest way to spot a fake is to focus on the hardware. Compare the pins, hinges, and catches. Also, compare the maker marks closely. I agree with the others that Mike Kenny's thread on distinguishing real from fake on these Schwerins is a must read!!! Good luck and remember we all started from the same point you are in right now.
best wishes,
jeff

Yes it is a fake. I wish Mike Kenny's article was available but there are software problems and it is not for now. I have no estimated date at which it will be restored. Same with Rob Hudspith's article.

John