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**skip** · 01-28-2003, 12:25 PM

Hi Brians,

the zinc ones look good to me, although I only have the zinc one myself, up to now that is.
The " buntmetal" looks OK at first glance but there do seem to be accute differences in the globe (graduation lines and Italy, UK)

Skip

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**Brian S** · 01-28-2003, 12:28 PM

Yours is perfectly consistent with Frank H and my two on the outside. I just don't know why the one in the middle would be different unless it's a known variation, which I can't find here in the forum, always a bad sign, or a fake.

Thanks!

**skip** · 01-28-2003, 12:31 PM

In fact the more I look at it the more things I see that I don´t like.
For example the Swaz. and the way Schwerin is written.

skip

**George Stimson** · 01-28-2003, 12:36 PM

Also....

The square space above the right side of the sail (as you look at it) doesn't look quite as square as the others.

George

**W. C. Stump** · 01-28-2003, 03:01 PM

FAKE ALL THE WAY

I think the badge a 100% fake. I have examined this type of badge and it hit the collector market in the late 90's. The fake is on the left with an original.

**W. C. Stump** · 01-28-2003, 03:03 PM

REVERSE

Here is the reverse of both badges. Fake on left. Note that this fake is unmarked, but they come marked as well.

**Brian S** · 01-28-2003, 03:08 PM

I thought so too Bill. Some 'nice' copies have come out of India I hear in the 90's. They fire gilt but they don't do the 10x magnification on the details. At a gun show they'd fool people because you're standing there thinking, looks good, might be good, but the world would have had to change in the Schwerin shop for that badge to be good. Thanks Bill. My conclusion also.

**Mike Kenny** · 01-28-2003, 05:10 PM

Hi guys,

Too much misinformation in this thread!!!

In the top image, the central "buntmetal" badge is a 100% reproduction - this is one of the "Cave Creek Specials" and is given away by the large, even lettering of the maker's mark, the huge hinge pin rivet, the different globe details and the NON-square cut-out above the sail.

All the ZINC badges posted in this thread so far look genuine to me. Even though the location of the maker's mark varies a bit, this is not a major concern for me as the FORM of the maker's mark is the critical thing.

In Bill's post, the badge he has called a repro is, imo, a genuine badge, just unmarked and NOT made by Schwerin. This type of badge has been discussed in the past at lenght. Lorenzo produced some great detective work which indicated that the badge was POSSIBLY produced by Juncker.

Regards
Mike K

**Brian S** · 01-28-2003, 05:29 PM

The badge I posted as a possible fake is not the same as the one posted by Stump. Just cut and pasted and compared. Still agree the one I posted in the middle above is bad. Cave Creek? I think I know who that is...

**skip** · 01-28-2003, 07:03 PM

Hi again all,

it would be nice if somebody would post a pic of an original "buntmetal" from Schwerin.

Skip

**Brian S** · 01-28-2003, 07:40 PM

First picture left and right are CORRECT.

**Mike Kenny** · 01-28-2003, 07:44 PM

Hi Skip,

If you go to the crosses forum and look in Frank's new moderator welcome thread, you'll see two tombak ("buntmetal" - I dislike the vaguaries associated with that term!) Schwerin Aux Cr Badges imaged - one by Frank and the other by Mark Miller.

Regards
Mike K

**Brian S** · 01-28-2003, 08:31 PM

As I mentioned above, Frank's is stone cold mint and exactly as the top left and right...

**Lorenzo Brown** · 01-28-2003, 09:15 PM

I agree with Mike Kenny that the unmarked auxiliary posted by Bill is authentic. Bill...why do you say it is fake?

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