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    #16
    Hi,

    I'm bringing this back to the top because I would really like to know why Bill thinks the badge he has posted as a fake is fake.

    Thanks
    Mike K
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      #17
      WHY A FAKE?

      Originally posted by Mike K
      Hi,

      I'm bringing this back to the top because I would really like to know why Bill thinks the badge he has posted as a fake is fake.

      Thanks
      Mike K
      A number of things that I can point out that can't be readily seen by the scans is that the pin was so soft that one could bend with little pressure being applied, the "rivet" holding the front plate was not a rivet, but a false stud, the hinge block was wrong, the front plate was glued to the badge, and the badge was a casting, not die struck. It was only an "ILLUSION" of a real badge.

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        #18
        Its a shame the pictures that started this thread arent there anymore. It makes the comparison discussion on the first page worthless. Brian, can you email me the picture and I will post it again? Better yet, join the Association so you can use the upload feature and the pictures will be there for posterity.

        I have one of these Juncker type badges, and my pin doesnt bend, the globe has no evidence of glueing, and from what I can see the rivet looks real. I wouldnt expect the hinge block to look like a Schwerin, because I dont think it is. As mentioned before, Lorenzo compared the block to a Juncker KM badge (coastal flak, I think) and it matches. These are NOT Schwerin badges, that much is true.

        I have no intentions to pry my badge apart, but I really would like to see evidence of gluing or why you think this is a false rivet? Also, I have never seen this type marked for Schwerin-I would like to see proof of this as well. Also, my badge has great detail, no matter the magnification.

        I am glad Brian is satisfied, but I am not. With the number of these sold by top dealers around the world and the numbers in peoples collections, I seriously think more evidence need to come forth, proving these are "an illusion of a real badge".
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          #19
          I also have the so called "Junker" badge. It came in the original carton, and the fake I pictured was made from a similar badge. It was not fire gilded, but had a high yellow gold wash. I didn't have to pry the center plate off as it came in off and had traces if some type of hard adhesive that failed to hold the plate to the badge. The "rivet" was a stud like stake and the rivet hole was just a drilled hold that the stud was placed in to give the appearance of a rivet. The pin was made of very soft medal that could bend to with the slightest pressure. the pin was non magnetic as is with the original I have. It was a tad smaller than the original, yet weighed 34.1 grams compared to the tombak original at 33.2 grams. This indicated that the medal was made of a heavier material and it was cast, NOT die struck. I photographed the fake and returned it to the Ebay dealer from whence it came. However, in my opinion, it was 100 % fake.

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            #20
            Thanks for the clarification Bill.

            Did you by chance photograph this copy next to your real one?

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              #21
              Originally posted by Mark Schroeder
              Thanks for the clarification Bill.

              Did you by chance photograph this copy next to your real one?
              I photographed the fake three years ago. I never had the original "Junker" at that time, just the marked Schwerin. Here is my Junker. REVERSE
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                #22
                OBVERSE

                Here is the Obverse of the unmarked "Junker" badge.
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                  #23
                  THE RIVET IN CLOSE UP

                  Here is a scan of the rivet used on the unmarked badge. The head is a rounded ball type rivet. The "stud" in the fake was flat on the visible end protruding and placed in a neatly drilled hole. Note where the rivet comes through the badge.
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                    #24
                    Hi I think that both the unmarked and marked badges are good. This is a scan of one I have had since about 86 or 87.
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