Hitler Youth Bannfahne 188 for Hamburg

[Joe B]

In my opinion one of the rarest yet beautiful flags from the Third Reich period .
This one is in my colletion .

[kronn]

Superb!!!!!! Amazing!!!!!
Congrats my friend

Alejandro

[Garry Nelson]

Very nice! What are the dimensions?
Garry

[helmuthunter]

Wow. Drool, drool, drool, drool, drool........

[509thPIB]

[wilhelm Saris]

In my opinion one of the rarest yet beautiful flags from the Third Reich period .
This one is in my colletion .

Nice. Joe can you make close-ups from the ribbon with number and average of the embroidery of the eagle and "tools". Just for looking!

[HAF]

very nice flag here !

[Sgt. Steiner]

Stunning. any history behind it? Thanks for posting.

[Joe B]

Mr Saris

As requested , details of the embroidery .

[wilhelm Saris]

Mr Saris

As requested , details of the embroidery .

Thanks. I do like especially the way of "embroidering" the eagle.When holding in hands it feels superb (and heavy)!
Some of them were covered in my book about gorgets, as with this flag as gorget was authorized to be worn.

[509thPIB]

Thanks Joe for posting the close up photographs.

Since I don't collect Hitler Youth, could you give me some idea just how rare these flags are? Thank you.

[Wim Vangossum]

Stunning flag.

Regards, Wim

[Joe B]

There are around 25 known if one includes both the DJ and HJ Bannfahnes .
So about as rare as a Deutchland Erwacht Standard .

If you figure in the early and later patterns of Bannfahnes ( the numbered scrolls being the major difference . some of the earlier scolls had letters with the numbers on the scrolls . The later patterns just had numbers on the scrolls and the Banns that were located outside the Reich that had a countries or regions name ... Palestine , Argentina , China etc ) and with both the HJ and DJ styles , I figure up to 2,580 to 2,600 were manufactured . ( I could be wrong as this is just my personal estimate ).
From what I have seen of documented surviving examples , I believe there are 14 HJ and 10 DJ Bannfahnes that are known to still exist .

[oldflagswanted]

Surviving WW2 HJ/DJ Bann Flags ???

There are around 25 known if one includes both the DJ and HJ
Bannfahnes . So about as rare as a Deutchland Erwacht Standard .

If you figure in the early and later patterns of Bannfahnes ( the
numbered scrolls being the major difference . some of the earlier
scolls had letters with the numbers on the scrolls . The later patterns
just had numbers on the scrolls and the Banns that were located
outside the Reich that had a countries or regions name ... Palestine ,
Argentina , China etc ) and with both the HJ and DJ styles , I figure
up to 2,580 to 2,600 were manufactured . ( I could be wrong as this
is just my personal estimate ). From what I have seen of documented
surviving examples , I believe there are 14 HJ and 10 DJ Bannfahnes
that are known to still exist .

Hello Joe B:
IMO, a very nice HJ Bann 188 Eagle flag, & comments.
........OFW

(below) Some surviving WW2 Bann flags from t=215502
Total on WAF server HJ/DJ-BF photo count = 15 so far, more to come...
H1....HJ-BF #236, framed one sided, from WAF thread t=463860, photo
....... by Hawesj(*),(location) Duisburg-Nord/ Ruhr-Niederrhein/ West
H2....HJ-BF #434, JH(*) via another collector. (location) ???
H3....HJ-BF #99, from WAF t=215502 , GE(*), (location) Ruhr-Ennepe/
....... Westfalen/ West
H4....HJ-BF #274, from WAF t=949930, M35(*), (location) ???
H5....HJ-BF #341, from WAF t=949930, joecool(*), (location) ???
H6....HJ-BF #545 & oe27, WS(*), (location) Südost Steiermark, HQ at Graz.
H7....HJ-BF #426, WS(*), (location) dist. 29, Süd-Württemberg, Horb HQ.
H8....HJ-BF #188, joecool(*), (location) Hamburg Germany, 10K Euros.
H9....HJ-BF #505, joecool(*), (location) Wienerwald Austria, 13K Euros.
H10...HJ-BF #238, WW2GM.com(*), (location) Kleve-Geldern
........Ruth Niederrhein West, $9K USD. Ref: WAF t=7502515 p3.
H11...HJ-BF #446, OFW-computer files(*), (Location) ???
H12...HJ-BF Osterreich, joecool(*), (location) ???
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D1....DJ-BF Guatemala, OFW(*), (Location) Stuttgart AO HQ 1945 captured.
D2....DJ-BF Paraguay, OFW(*), (Location) "...", Ref: WAF t=725376.
D3....DJ-BF 1/77, OFW-cf(*), offered online 25 Oct 2010 $5400 USD.
D4....DJ-BF Luxemburg, OFW(*), from Regimentals 2020 SOS video.
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Note(a): HJ/DJ Bann flag total made joecool estimate = 2580
Note(b): For more on AO HJ/DJ-BF see Bender Military Advisor
magazine OFW article (Winter 1994/95 Vol-6, #1 issue).
******************************************
OFW

[Cracked]

There's a much more comprehensive list of these flags on the hj-research forum. This is the one referenced by Joe B in his post above so I thought might be useful to post a link for those interested in seeing what is still out there. The list also includes the female versions of the Bann and Jungbann flags. Anyway, here it is:

List of HJ Bannfahne, DJ Jungbannfahne, BDM and JM Untergauwimpel pennants known to exist