Hi guys
Been a while since there was a new discovery posted, so I thought of giving it a shot with this recent find.
I bought the whole stock through an other dealer but this stock apparently came from a coin dealer who kept these badges aside his whole life. They came from the Lüdenscheid area which is also quite visible when looking at the awards.
I know the majority posted here is Luftwaffe stuff and KM stuff, but the most interesting badge for me here was the GAB. This zink variant of the cupal GAB is one of our last unknown makers and this hoard find could put us more in a direction of identifying it.
The badges in the hoard were:
- B&NL marked Paratrooper badges
- B&NL marked RO/AG's
- B&NL marked AG's (much more than RO/AG's!!)
- "S&L" unmarked, crimped Coastal artillery badges (wrapped)
- "S&L" unmarked, soldered on set up Coastal artillery badges (wrapped)
- L/56 marked, F&BL Coastal Artillery badges (no wrapper, no gold finish)
- Unknown maker GAB's
- Cap eagles army
- Cap eagles LW
- Cap RAD badges (marked B&NL 44)
- L/53 marked, H&Co PAB mini's
- L/16 marked on cardboard PAB mini's
- Tons of other mini's
+ a small part of mother crosses, KVK medals which were bought by an other dealer before me.
+ hundreds of EK1-EK2-Hindenburg, all sort of combination mini's which I didn't buy.
So this sums up what was all there and which I think I was able to buy the most of it.
I think we can be sure of one thing, that the unknown maker GAB of which a few were found in this lot, are made by a Lüdenscheid maker.
Comparing and ruling out certain makers, this would lead to one big candidate for me. So here we go:
1) Since the B&NL maker is already identified in the GAB, IAB and PAB, I think we can rule out this option for sure. The typical set up and copper hinge, sunken catch are very typical here.
2) Deumer also had its very own history line in tombac, massive and hollow zink, so this GAB with different design and set up doesn't make sense.
3) Hymmen... same as Deumer
4) S&H. Already identified too in both tombac and zink.
5) S&L. Already identified in both tombac and zink
6) FLL same as above
7) Assmann same as above
8) GWL same as above
We have a few makers we don't know of any leads to combat awards at all.
Oberhoff & Cie
Ad. Baumeister
Paulmann & Crone
Wilh. Schroder & Co.
This leads us to one and only maker left for this GAB: F&BL
1) Compare the set up variants of this GAB with the L/56 marked IAB = identical.
2) Compare the set up variants of this GAB with the unmarked F&BL army flak = identical.
3) This light sprayed finish of this GAB (not the one in the thread now) can be found on the L/56 marked IAB and army flak.
4) GAB pin had no tool marks... same as the L/56 marked IAB and Army flak.
I have to get to bed now, more soon! Already looking forwards to your thoughts!
Giel
Been a while since there was a new discovery posted, so I thought of giving it a shot with this recent find.
I bought the whole stock through an other dealer but this stock apparently came from a coin dealer who kept these badges aside his whole life. They came from the Lüdenscheid area which is also quite visible when looking at the awards.
I know the majority posted here is Luftwaffe stuff and KM stuff, but the most interesting badge for me here was the GAB. This zink variant of the cupal GAB is one of our last unknown makers and this hoard find could put us more in a direction of identifying it.
The badges in the hoard were:
- B&NL marked Paratrooper badges
- B&NL marked RO/AG's
- B&NL marked AG's (much more than RO/AG's!!)
- "S&L" unmarked, crimped Coastal artillery badges (wrapped)
- "S&L" unmarked, soldered on set up Coastal artillery badges (wrapped)
- L/56 marked, F&BL Coastal Artillery badges (no wrapper, no gold finish)
- Unknown maker GAB's
- Cap eagles army
- Cap eagles LW
- Cap RAD badges (marked B&NL 44)
- L/53 marked, H&Co PAB mini's
- L/16 marked on cardboard PAB mini's
- Tons of other mini's
+ a small part of mother crosses, KVK medals which were bought by an other dealer before me.
+ hundreds of EK1-EK2-Hindenburg, all sort of combination mini's which I didn't buy.
So this sums up what was all there and which I think I was able to buy the most of it.
I think we can be sure of one thing, that the unknown maker GAB of which a few were found in this lot, are made by a Lüdenscheid maker.
Comparing and ruling out certain makers, this would lead to one big candidate for me. So here we go:
1) Since the B&NL maker is already identified in the GAB, IAB and PAB, I think we can rule out this option for sure. The typical set up and copper hinge, sunken catch are very typical here.
2) Deumer also had its very own history line in tombac, massive and hollow zink, so this GAB with different design and set up doesn't make sense.
3) Hymmen... same as Deumer
4) S&H. Already identified too in both tombac and zink.
5) S&L. Already identified in both tombac and zink
6) FLL same as above
7) Assmann same as above
8) GWL same as above
We have a few makers we don't know of any leads to combat awards at all.
Oberhoff & Cie
Ad. Baumeister
Paulmann & Crone
Wilh. Schroder & Co.
This leads us to one and only maker left for this GAB: F&BL
1) Compare the set up variants of this GAB with the L/56 marked IAB = identical.
2) Compare the set up variants of this GAB with the unmarked F&BL army flak = identical.
3) This light sprayed finish of this GAB (not the one in the thread now) can be found on the L/56 marked IAB and army flak.
4) GAB pin had no tool marks... same as the L/56 marked IAB and Army flak.
I have to get to bed now, more soon! Already looking forwards to your thoughts!
Giel
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