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    #16
    Originally posted by Master3477
    Hello

    the denazifying doesn`t make a piece a 57er!

    So there are denazified originals and there are denazified copies of wartime pieces.

    But there are NO fake 57er. And that is very easy to explain.

    By law everyone is allowed to make 57er awards. You don`t need any permissions for it. So when everyone is allowed to produce 57er there can`t be any fakes.
    There are fakes of the 1957 awards. Take a look at Ebay. Oakleafs of cheap quality is passed as "1957 oaks". Fake EK1´s made in Poland, Latvia..of cheap quality, with a Bundeswehr pin glued on the swastika is passed as a 1957 award. Warbadge fakes made of old spoons with the swastika removed is passed as 1957 awards or denazified wartime awards.

    Cheers.
    Peter

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      #17
      Originally posted by Peter Wiking
      There are fakes of the 1957 awards. Take a look at Ebay. Oakleafs of cheap quality is passed as "1957 oaks". Fake EK1´s made in Poland, Latvia..of cheap quality, with a Bundeswehr pin glued on the swastika is passed as a 1957 award. Warbadge fakes made of old spoons with the swastika removed is passed as 1957 awards or denazified wartime awards.

      Cheers.
      Peter
      could you please post pictures of medals which you would consider 57er fakes.

      Thanks

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        #18
        1957 items...

        Hi,

        Very Interesting Thread.how Can I Get Hold Of A Copy Of This 1957 Document For Awards ?

        Cheers,

        Mark

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          #19
          Originally posted by Master3477
          could you please post pictures of medals which you would consider 57er fakes.

          Thanks
          Are you a Lawyer or a collector

          Cheers.
          Peter

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            #20
            PM Sent ...



            Originally posted by mar maskery
            Hi,

            Very Interesting Thread.how Can I Get Hold Of A Copy Of This 1957 Document For Awards ?

            Cheers,

            Mark

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              #21
              Originally posted by Peter Wiking
              Are you a Lawyer or a collector

              Cheers.
              Peter
              I don`t understand that question!

              Can you show pictures of what you consider 57er fakes or not?

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                #22
                Philips your badge is an original 1957 badge , it is one of the last ones made . The eagle is not rivited to the wreath .

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                  #23
                  Here is one example. The Deumer is from my own collection:
                  Attached Files

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                    #24
                    Look at this fine soldier. What cross from those above do you think he would have on the uniform, or be presented with ?

                    Cheers.
                    Peter
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                    Last edited by Peter Wiking; 01-13-2005, 09:17 PM.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Peter Wiking
                      Here is one example. The Deumer is from my own collection:
                      Hi Peter,

                      Nice Deumer. I can see the die flaw on the top bar which seems to imply it was made from 1939 frames. Does the ring have a '3' on it too?

                      Regards ...

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by hagwalther
                        Hi Peter,

                        Nice Deumer. I can see the die flaw on the top bar which seems to imply it was made from 1939 frames. Does the ring have a '3' on it too?

                        Regards ...
                        Yes it has a 3. Thanks for asking.
                        I could post a whole range of oakleafs that are sold as 1957 oaks, but in reality are cheap repros of the fine wartime and early 1957 oaks.

                        Better to move this issue to the cross section.

                        Cheers.
                        Peter

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Peter Wiking
                          Here is one example. The Deumer is from my own collection:
                          Thanks for the picture. Now I know what you mean.

                          But IMO there is a 57 second class IC (btw a nice one) on the left and a fantasy product on the right. I really don`t see a fake 57er.

                          When I show a you a lollipop and say it is a IC that doesn`t make the lollipop a fake IC it is just a lollipop.

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                            #28
                            Hello Sven ,

                            What Peter is trying to say is that German sellers on Ebay are now trying to sell crap as " 1957 " instead of WW2 , in the case of the EK1 by sticking a crappy badge over the fake swastika or by selling a fake set of oakleaves as 1957 and hoping some mug will believe them .

                            Regards

                            Grant

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                              #29
                              I totally agree .

                              1939 - 45 fakes are being now manipulated and sold as 1957 awards.

                              Originally posted by Grant Broadhurst
                              Hello Sven ,

                              What Peter is trying to say is that German sellers on Ebay are now trying to sell crap as " 1957 " instead of WW2 , in the case of the EK1 by sticking a crappy badge over the fake swastika or by selling a fake set of oakleaves as 1957 and hoping some mug will believe them .

                              Regards

                              Grant

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by bugibbian
                                I totally agree .

                                1939 - 45 fakes are being now manipulated and sold as 1957 awards.
                                Hi There,

                                A good example of this is my posting being number 5 of this current thread.

                                The problem for those of us who have an interest in 1957 awards is that there is little information available on these items for us to make a reasoned opinion on what authentic 1957 awards are.

                                I do not wish to offend previous members postings re: 'there are no 1957 fake awards' but posting no 5 seems to go against this statement.

                                I do though think it fair to agree with a previous posting stating that there are (I forget the exact words) 'early, middle and late' 1957 items.

                                I, like Peter Viking, own an 'early' 1957 EKII by Deumer with the 1939 die flaw and '3' on the ring being parts from 1939 EKII's.

                                I also own a few 'middle' age 1957 awards being a German Cross in gold (as previosly posted) and others.

                                I have though, sold on 'later' 1957 awards from the 1980's era as I have deemed the quality to be a bit 'poor' and put the money into other items.

                                Does anyone have good publications on the 1957 award series?

                                I have 'Bekanntmachungen - Der Bundesminister des Innern' but would be delighted to add to my library in this area.

                                Regards ...

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