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    #1

    Heer SS Flak Badge

    Hello,

    I was offered this badge by the seller from Israeil
    and as far as I now his reputation is not well
    That is why I ask you opinion
    Thank you in advance.

    Alex.

    PS. as for me it looks as a fake and it was made under "WH" or "RS"
    and my knowledge about it is very limited.







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    #2
    Hi Alex,

    Don't really know what to think of it on the one hand I like it but on the other hand it lacks symmetry in the eagles lower wings. Difficult to tell.

    KR
    Philippe

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      #3
      Look at the rivets on the gun mount. They aren't in a straight line. I don't like this one.
      Don
      pseudo-expert

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        #4
        I would not want it in my collection.

        Chet
        Zinc stinks!

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          #5
          I also would not want it in my colllection, but more because it is rotten. I am not so sure that it is bad.
          Cheers, Frank

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            #6
            Originally posted by Frank Heukemes
            but more because it is rotten.
            Yep and if you look at the type of damage it's for sure something that is very difficult if not impossible to fake. I think you at least have to get the alloy composition exactly right to create the exact same type of zinkrot that can be found on original badges.

            That's why I'm also hessitant to call this badge a fake.

            KR
            Philippe

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              #7
              Philippe, can you match this badge to a known original?
              I think the obverse details are very amateurish.
              Given the number of years fakes have been around I think we can expect to see good zinc rot so I don't think we can go on this point alone.
              Don
              Originally posted by Philippe DB
              Yep and if you look at the type of damage it's for sure something that is very difficult if not impossible to fake. I think you at least have to get the alloy composition exactly right to create the exact same type of zinkrot that can be found on original badges.

              That's why I'm also hessitant to call this badge a fake.

              KR
              Philippe
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                #8
                its a good badge just corroded
                Ian

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ddoering
                  Philippe, can you match this badge to a known original?
                  Don
                  Hi Don

                  As a matter of fact after some digging in my files I can but I have to admit that I never felt very confident about this badge although I put it in my OK files.

                  Here is the brother of Alex's badge and to make things more interesting it's marked with L/58 for Rudolf Souval, the only one I have ever seen and not a match design wise to R.S marked Heer Flak badges.

                  Like I wrote above I really don't know and have to go on my gut feeling. On the other hand it's not that easy to create genuine zink rot. Based upon my experience every alloy composition will reacted differently to external influences based upon what the alloy exist of. The type of zink rot on Alex's badge is typical for ground dug orininal zinkers. I still have to see the first copie that got this type of damage exactly right. But than again everything is possible I guess.

                  KR
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Philippe DB
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                            Dear, Phillippe

                            about of the lacks symmetry in the eagles lower wings
                            it could be seemed because the badge has the curved form
                            and the bottom part of an eagle is hardly higher than the gun

                            Alex

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                              #15
                              I don't think these badges were ever in the same factory. Notice the differences that I have highlighted. The eagle's head, the gun barrel, the acorn, the gear on the gun mount.

                              Don
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