Factory Panzer "cut-out".

[Panzercracker]

.... hypothetically though, it could be done that way. That would be my biggest concern before, even considering, buying a badge like that, and, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be "just a little" anxious? Textbook cut-outs (ie. Meybauer or GWL badges) are the safer bet IMO.

--Ken

[Chet Sowersby]

[Panzercracker]

If someone's willing to send me a zinc based PAB that they don't particularly care too much about, feel free to PM me and I'll prove that method will work. That should wake someone up.

--Ken

[Graeme]

Hi Mike

From the pics and the info posted in this thread so far, I do not feel that this was a factory cutout.

If it were, I feel that the catch would be of a type that has been seen on this type of PAB.

The soldering on the catch does not look very neat on this badge, unlike most factory soldered catches.

It is likely that a factory would place the catch above the cutout and not below.

If it were performed by the recipient or jeweller, after manufacture, it is also likely that the pin would be shortened, and the catch placed higher because you would then not need to replace the pin. You would keep the old pin and just cut it back a little.

It would be great to see nice detailed scans of this badge if possible.

I am inclined to think that most modifications of this type were not done by the soldiers themselves but by jewelers, some of whom were presumably highly skilled craftsmen (artisans, really) for whom creating new pins/catches and even refinishing badges would likely have been no problem.

Hi Chris, I think when it comes to the badges that needed repositioning of catches, I would agree that it would make sense, but keep in mind that many of these cut out badges only needed an area cutting out, the catches stayed in place. And on some you can see that the cutout was actually planned around the catch, leading me to believe that these were likely performed by someone that just needed to cut out an area, mainly the recipient.

best regards
Graeme

[Don D.]

Since the cutout was not an authorized part of the design I highly doubt it was factory done. Perhaps I should drop by TJ's and check the badge out in person....

[Michael Everett]

1. To place the catch above the cut-out would make it very difficult to secure to the loops as the distance from the hinge to the catch would be to short.

2. Have you seen the soldering on the hoard find FLL panzer badges? It makes mine looks like it was made by Tiffany's!

3. A round catch has been seen on some Deumer's

4. Luftwaffe pilot badges with cut-out talons are an eccepted factory cut-out variation.

Mike




QUOTE=Graeme;5941736]Hi Mike

From the pics and the info posted in this thread so far, I do not feel that this was a factory cutout.

If it were, I feel that the catch would be of a type that has been seen on this type of PAB.

The soldering on the catch does not look very neat on this badge, unlike most factory soldered catches.

It is likely that a factory would place the catch above the cutout and not below.

If it were performed by the recipient or jeweller, after manufacture, it is also likely that the pin would be shortened, and the catch placed higher because you would then not need to replace the pin. You would keep the old pin and just cut it back a little.

It would be great to see nice detailed scans of this badge if possible.



Hi Chris, I think when it comes to the badges that needed repositioning of catches, I would agree that it would make sense, but keep in mind that many of these cut out badges only needed an area cutting out, the catches stayed in place. And on some you can see that the cutout was actually planned around the catch, leading me to believe that these were likely performed by someone that just needed to cut out an area, mainly the recipient.

best regards
Graeme[/QUOTE]