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**Jack** · 07-19-2002, 06:00 AM

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**Jack** · 07-19-2002, 06:14 AM

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Photo was to big had to crop them both.
Sorry Jack

**Jack** · 07-19-2002, 06:17 AM

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Sorry for the size but it was the way he sent them to me.

**Stijn David** · 07-19-2002, 06:48 AM

CCC Gold grade FLL

Hello Jack,

Im not an expert in these CCC maker marked FLL ( firm of Friedrich Linden /Ludenscheid ) but there seems to be a anomalie with other known FLL products .

THe C Hook is not of the type that one normally encounters on the FLL products , also the way the pin is attached looks different towards me then known types => these are just my observations but knowing the rarity of such Gold grade CCC and the way they are faked nowadays , this would be enough for me to stay away from this one.

Just my opinion however, im sure others more knowledgable then me wil jump in

FRiendly greetings,

**Jan Arne S** · 07-19-2002, 09:07 AM

CCC FLL

Hallo !
I think this Close Combat Clasp from Friedrich Linden is OK . Clasp with correct incrimped hinge and catch . Look at my 2 CCC from Friedrich Linden on my homepage .
http://groups.msn.com/Tyske2WWKrigsm...to&PhotoID=219

Lillegutt

**Stijn David** · 07-21-2002, 12:54 PM

further comments please

Hello,

Are there any CCC collectors out there who can comment a bit more on this one ? , so far it seems one for and one against , i really would like to know what youb guys thinks about this one ?

Cordial Greetings,

**Jack** · 07-22-2002, 03:35 AM

Thank you
David and Lillegut for your imput.Come on guys somebody out there can give us a little bit more info on these badges.
Cheers Jack.

**Rich G** · 07-22-2002, 10:41 AM

This type of CCC by FLL is the first type and is found with the recessed hinge and catch.

Here's the back of my silver class...

I'm not so sure that that is a gold class though, maybe a bronze.

**IVAN** · 07-22-2002, 04:55 PM

Hello,

my ccc in gold grade FLL has the known hinge and cacth system, different from this one.

your hinge is more easy to find in the minor grades, above in the bronze grade, it's the first time I see a gold with this, but it looks fine for me, the gold plating too, it has the right dark-old colour.

Ivan

**Rich G** · 07-23-2002, 04:35 AM

I would still maintain that this is not a gold class CCC but an early bronze class.

My reason for argument is this...

This is the early style FLL ccc, and the first gold CCC were awarded quite late and therefore would be the second type FLL clasps. Plus it doesn't look gold but a brighter bronze.

And yes, scans and pictures can be deceptive, due to lighting coditions, etc, so if another picture was taken in natural light, it would prove useful.

Rich

**IVAN** · 07-23-2002, 05:53 AM

yes Rich,

I agree about the early modell and the colour that maybe the scan have change it.

Ivan

**Jack** · 07-24-2002, 01:57 AM

Thankyou for your comments.I have posted another photo which i have just got in,also he has had the badge for 2yrs and it came from Jamie Cross.Maybe this new photo might shed some light.
Cheers Jack

**Jack** · 07-24-2002, 02:01 AM

Also here is a photo of a silver class that he also has.
CheersJack

**IVAN** · 07-24-2002, 03:08 PM

Hi Jack,

Have said to you J. Cross that is it a gold grade?

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