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    #16
    Originally posted by fdodge View Post
    Last seen drunk and naked at a reunion......
    You don't know how accurate this is Frank

    I think the GAB that started this thread is an original, I don't see anything wrong with it. Especially the look of the finish, I haven't seen this on fakes...yet.

    Daniel, what are your concerns with this one?

    Tom
    If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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      #17
      Hi Tom,



      I just have never seen this type with these talons. Usually these are razor sharp. On this piece they are absolutely soft and sloppy. And this is definitely not "wear", it is lack of detail.

      Can anybody show me another original award of this type with this feature?


      Regards,


      Daniel

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        #18
        Hi Daniel,

        That is a very good observation about the talons. You are right, I looked through my files, I cannot find a single one with weak talons like this, they are all very nicely detailed.

        But could this example just have a very thick finish on it, which is obscuring the details? With all the other things being correct on this example, and especially the wavy finish on the reverse which I have not seen fakers do yet, I am just not sure we are looking at a fake. A very thick finish would obscure these details, and looking closely at the talons, I do see some ridges right above the swastika. If you look in this area, it looks like there are big blobs of thick finish on the talons, but then then to the sides you can still see some ridges underneath.

        Same with the acorns, they are usually much better detailed then what we see here, which again could be the thick finish or even possibly a poor die strike?

        Daniel, have you seen any other #10 fakes?

        Tom
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        If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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          #19
          Hi Tom. I've seen slightly weaker details like that on RK GABs with the later "ali" finish, which this one also has. IMO, at this later stage of production, the dies started to wear out -not uncommon. Even early production badges, like Juncker's (NS) ISA/IAB faced the same issue. Just my 2 cents.

          --Rgds, Ken

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            #20
            Hi

            I took a look in Heukemes GAB book and on page 294 are exaktly the same GAB that started this thread.
            Is there any new information regarding this GAB since the book was new back in 2005

            On page 388 you could see the copy of this GAB and there are differens between those GABs


            Andy

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              #21
              Here is pictures of a fake that i was burnt on many years ago and its not the same as the threadstarter GAB
              Sorry for bad quality on the pictures


              Andy
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                  #23
                  Hi Guys......

                  ......I don't believe this type of GAB was made by RK.

                  As to the lack of detail in the talons and acorns: If it's thicker finish, why just on those particular high spots? Wouldn't the finish settle into the lower areas of the badge? Granted, matallurgy isn't my strong suit, but perhaps someone more learned in the application of finishes could explain it.

                  Just my $.02, seeking a solution to these questions.

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                    #24
                    Hi again Bruce. I did not say that the GAB that started the thread was by RK, no way. I used Karneth to draw a comparison -and a late war comparison at that. As to the "metallurgy", both are clearly zinc. And as I explained, "late" examples, when the die wore down. As to the "finish", a very thin "ali", or "radiator paint", not a strong brennlac. I love that, "more learned".

                    --Rgds, Ken


                    Originally posted by Bruce Simcox View Post
                    ......I don't believe this type of GAB was made by RK.

                    As to the lack of detail in the talons and acorns: If it's thicker finish, why just on those particular high spots? Wouldn't the finish settle into the lower areas of the badge? Granted, matallurgy isn't my strong suit, but perhaps someone more learned in the application of finishes could explain it.

                    Just my $.02, seeking a solution to these questions.

                    Last edited by Panzercracker; 07-17-2012, 01:36 PM.

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                      #25
                      Hi Ken......

                      ......I didn't mean to suggest, or have anyone think so, that you thought this design was RK. My apology to you my friend!

                      I just don't believe that this obverse design was a product of RK. Similarities exist, but with the bayonet being so obviously different(blood groove) my thought was to raise the subject again.

                      Rgrds,

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                        #26
                        No probs Bruce. The frontside, because of the lack of crispness, does pose legitimate questions to ponder, but the truth is in the details on the backside. Aside from what Tom said earlier, on the striations, which I've seen on other late war zinc badges, I'm posting the reverse again with why I think this GAB is a good one, but not by RK. --Best, Ken
                        P.S.: A few more "lines" can be in there....
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                          #27
                          Is the one posted by Eric Lin authentic? I have the same one, and have never been positive.
                          thanks.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by DTS View Post
                            Is the one posted by Eric Lin authentic? I have the same one, and have never been positive.
                            thanks.
                            Yes, Eric's shown here is a fine original IMO.

                            Tom
                            If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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                              #29
                              Hi John

                              Your GAB has the "feel" of an original imo.

                              I can't definitely explain the lack of detail to the talons. It may be a worn or clogged die. These have a thin finish and to me the lack of detail is not due to the finish.

                              As mentioned already, the reverse has many nice "original traits, including the pin, rivets and hardware.

                              To give a warmer feeling could you post side shots of both hinge and catch please.


                              The badge posted by Eric looks good to me also, but be careful not to make direct comparisons with Johns badge, because imo the obverse dies are different, although very similar in design.

                              best regards
                              Graeme

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                                #30
                                hey guys!

                                I can't upload pics so i hope that someone will do it for me.
                                Here is my GAB to compare .It should be orginal


                                Done for you - Graeme
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