Two differnt GABs Maker Question

[CVRC]

Hi

Any idea who could be maker of these two badges?All input Wllecome.

Regards
Cvrc

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[Panzercracker]

I'm pretty sure both are made by Frank and Reif or Mayer. The 2nd has the the flat "C" catch and the other has the "round wire" catch. About 80% finish left on both. Any finish lost looks mostly from "absorption", with minimal (if any) zinc pest.

[Hans Kondor]

Two Pforczheim design bagde, the first one is refferred to as Shickle by some collectors because of the different kind of catch and pin, the second one is for Mayer.
If you could tell the weight that would help determine which material the badges made, IMO from tombak.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

The 2nd one is a good BH Mayer, like Hans says.

But I am not sure about the originality of the 1st one, looks suspicous to me. Seems to have weak detailing and a bit pitted. Can we see some more shots of the reverse hinge and catch area? I think it may reveal that we are looking at a fake.

Tom

[CVRC]

Thanks for your help and all input.I have discused about these badges before and in generaly opinions were good about both badges.
Here are best shots I can do with my cammera.

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[kray]

nothing wrong here imo, both are original

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Dejan,

Thanks for the additional pics of the hardware. I still don't like what I see on this GAB, and the hardware pics only confirm my suspicions (to me anyway) that this is a fake IMO.

Tom

[CVRC]

Hi

Thanks for your opinion and help with these two badges.It look like this on is tough one.If fake than dangerous badges are out there on the market.
Thanks again.

Regards
Dejan