Originally posted by Thomas Durante
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that wasn't the point i said. I don't say that all badges have to be twins because of some official regulations. I say that the fact that two badges come with a grim looking eagle isn't an evidence that two makers were working together.
However, that is clearly not the case. Take the LW flak badges for example. We have about 10 different makers, and we can tell each maker apart simply by looking at the eagle design.
You have seen the Wissmann letters to Lüdenscheid which cleary is an hard evidence that the firm from Wissmann did what they said in their wartime ads:
They produced tools for combat badges but they didn't produce combat badges by their own ("Keine Fertigstücke").
And i think there is no need to discuss how many customers Wissmann had .... for sure more than one.
As result of that all badges coming from a Wissmann master die will look more or less familiar to each other.
Each maker had their own little design, but Juncker and Brehmer stand out because their designs are so similar (more similar to eachother than any other Flak badge maker).
GABs, PABs, & IABs are the same way. You have to admit that not all the designs of these badges are the same. Some are closer in design to other makers, but for the most part, most every IAB PAB or GAB can be identified simply by looking at the obverse design.
We could identify "Gottlieb & Wagner" or "Eduard Hahn" as makers producing badges in the SHuCo design because we have found hard facts in terms of MAKER MARKET IAB PACKETS. That's the only real evidence in a first step that these makers produced an IAB in general and in a next step we could link a specific SHuCo design IAB to these makers because of several packet/badges combos which were found during some years.
This is a way to link a certain badge to a real firm and having a REAL RELIABLE chance that the link is truth.
What we are doing here is working with a chain of presumptions and that's far away from having basic evidence or can someone prove that Brehmer was involved in any IAB/GAB production or that Juncker really changed design?
I am not saying that the egghead is definitely Brehmer, but Hans makes some very good points.
Perhaps you allready have noticed that dealers jump at once on such flimsy sensations and are raising their prices for the new unmarked maker version. So is it your goal that collectors drive a Toyota but have to pay the premium price of a Mercedes Benz because of the significant piece of evidence that they have both 4 wheels?
And I think the similarity in designs to the Juncker badges is a SIGNIFICANT piece of evidence that cannot be ignored.
Anyway we have around 140 - 160 listed badge producers but based on your SIGNIFICANT pieces of evidence around 5 - 10 firms were producing the whole supply of german combat badges with several variants.
So tell me:
What did the rest of known makers produce?
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