Who is the maker of this PAB?

[Frank Heukemes]

Does anybody know which maker uses these catches? It would help me solve some riddles. Badge was sold by Detlev last update. Very nice!

[Don D.]

Yes, and it is all mine>

Don

[Spitfire]

Are these catches not of the Zimmerman variety?


Al

[Chet Sowersby]

Frank,
I do not know, but I have one also. I have had mine for maybe six years now and I am "comfortable" with it. They are well made badges with very good detail. The catch and hinge plate are recessed into the badge. They have a very nice vault to them also.

Chet

[Philippe DB]

Dear Frank,

I only have them on file in silver and bronze both hollow and with that strange set-up. I don't know of any other variants. Anyway it's a unique design and no match to any of the known makers. Very rare too IMO. The easiest way to immediately spot them from the obverse are the two little stripes on top of the rock.

Am I mistaken in believing that there exists a hollow GAB's with that same reverse hardware?

I missed Detlev's update and saw the one you posted too. Don maybe you would be so kind to post some good detailed scans/pics in this thread once it arrives.

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi guys,

Here are the details of what I have found out so far. We are looking for a maker that produced some quite interesting badges.

I have with the absolutely same unique catch:

-Type 1 wound badge black ("Legion Condor style") and although this is obviously an early badge (latest 1940,1941) it is made of zinc! Also unique: the badge is finished on the obverse only, the reverse is plain zinc.

-a very nicely made GAB (you paid good attention Philippe) with polished swastika and highlights, of the very unique style with cut out eagle´s wings.

So if anybody has any badge that has this same unique catch with a maker´s mark, by all means, let me know!

[Frank Heukemes]

reverse, not finished and with the unique catch (look hard, not so easy to see on this pic).

[Frank Heukemes]

catch

[Frank Heukemes]

GAB with cut out wings

[Frank Heukemes]

reverse, same unique catch

[Frank Heukemes]

GAB catch

[Philippe DB]

Dear Frank

Very very interesting!

At first I thought why is he posting that WB but than I noticed the catch plate . How did they get it in there?

Besides the fact that they all share the same reverse hardware all these badges also share a unique design. My first tought was that these were made by one of the bigger manufacturers that was capable of designing his own badges. But than again this isn't very likely since there are so few of these arround.

Frank am I correct in assuming that the GAB is also made out of zinc, just like the PAB & WB. If that is the fact one would wonder were the buntmetall badges of this maker are. Also why were these early designs of the WB and GAB (at least I consider them early designs) made in zinc?

I would also like to know if anybody recognizes these designs in one of their badges but maybe with an other set-up

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Philippe,

Yes, the GAB is made of zinc as well.

[Don D.]

Am I mistaken in believing that there exists a hollow GAB's with that same reverse hardware?

I missed Detlev's update and saw the one you posted too. Don maybe you would be so kind to post some good detailed scans/pics in this thread once it arrives.

KR
Philippe

Philippe, I'll post them just as soon as it arrives. I think I've seen the same setup on IABs before but not GABs.

Thanks
Don

[Philippe DB]

I think I've seen the same setup on IABs before but not GABs.
Thanks
Don

Would make sence that there exist hollow IAB's with this set-up. So who has one in his collection. Based upon an IAB design we might have better chances to link it to a maker although I would assume that the IAB design most likely will also be unique.

Come on Roman, for sure you have one amongst your 163 IAB's

KR
Philippe